From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/4/2001 6:47:32 PM
(read title)
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What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/4/2001 7:35:50 PM
Most likely no. I don't think there's a complete one
on the net. You can ask me any questions though because I've done quite a bit of research on
japanese SF storyline.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/4/2001 7:44:05 PM What is Gouken's Japanese storyline?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/4/2001 8:35:53 PM
Ryu and Ken's master. a warrior who was taught by Goutetsu the art of Ansatsuken. The 4 moves
that Goutetsu taught him of Ansatsuken were the Hadoken, Shoryuken, Tatsumakisenpukyaku and
the Shungokusatsu. Gouken not wanting to spread the "Satsui no Hado/Dark Hado", saught to teach
the Hado, Shoryu and Tatsumaki without the evil intent. He then had three students, Ryu, Ken
and Dan. Dan was kicked out immediately because of his tremendous amount of hate and vengeance.
After Ryu and Ken went off to their first tournament held by Sagat, Gouken faced off against
Gouki. He was killed in battle against Gouki. As a side note, Gouken had the character "Mu"
which means "nothing", "nought" on his back.
From: MLai | Posted: 7/4/2001 9:01:35 PM
Do you have the Japanese manga series of Street Fighter? Any word on whether if ever they will
be translated into English? Any ideas on why Viz, Dark Horse, etc just can't seem to get it
into their heads that there are ppl who will slurp up the SF manga series if brought to US
shores?
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/4/2001 9:08:45 PM
Which ones? Street Fighter 2: Cammy Gaiden, Street Fighter Zero, Sakura Ganbaru, Ryu Final?
I'm guessing those ones are the ones you're talking about right? I don't have them all but I've
read them all. My friend who already went back to Japan had them all so he was nice enough to
lend them to me. But anyways, I know that Cammy Gaiden is translated for sure. As for the other
series, it'll never happend. The reason is because the company that shipped them, I think they
were called Shinseisha, shut down. The Japanese ones themselves are hard to get now.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/4/2001 10:21:03 PM
So in Japan, Gouken didn't teach Retsu? What does Japan say about Dorai, and Zeku?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/4/2001 10:48:41 PM
No, as far as I know, Gouken never taught Retsu. But about Zeku. Well he's the 38th Bushinryu
master(I can't think of any better words). He found Guy on the streets when he was young and
arrogant and trained his body and mind. Zeku disappeared after telling Guy to "overcome
everything". He shows up again in Zero2 and challenges Guy. Guy defeats Zeku and becomes the
39th Bushinryu master. He then tells Guy the final teaching of Bushinryu and disappears again.
BTW, who's Dorai. I can't seem to remember any names like that right now.
From: Geshwinne Darksoul I | Posted: 7/4/2001 10:58:54 PM
Um, about Charlie, is he actually dead??? Or can you not answer due to inconclusivity(don't
know if this is an actual word or not, but it sounds cool)??? Take care.
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Strength is nothing, it is what drives us to become stronger which makes us better men...and women.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/4/2001 11:06:16 PM
Yup, he's dead. So far, the official way he died is Guile's ending in SFZ3. But knowing Capcom,
they might change that again. I think Nash is up there with Geese in terms of getting killed
and coming back to life.
From: Isegrim | Posted: 7/5/2001 5:40:58 AM
Ansatsu. So that's the real name of Ryu and Ken's fighting style? I always thought it was
Gourinji...I think that's what it said in Ryu (or was it Ken's) fighting stats in the SFII
Animated movie on one of Bison's monitors. (Listed under Fighting Style.) It's very miniscule
and I had to rewind the tape a lot of times just to read it (kind of) correctly.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/5/2001 8:32:03 AM
Dorai is Chun Li's Father.
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From: Golden Hell | Posted: 7/5/2001 10:18:31 AM
So if Charlie's death in Alpha3 is considered official, does that mean all storylines in SFA3
are official as well? Ugh. I always saw Alpha3 as a sort of Dreammatch or Special (to put it
in SNK terms), not really part of the Street Fighter storyline.
I always saw the game/story progression of Street Fighter as this (as if anybody cares, but oh
well):
Street Fighter (or Fighting Street, whatever)
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo
Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
I like this topic, getting story info of SF ain't that easy. I'll probably have some questions
for you, Saiki. :)
From: Geshwinne Darksoul I | Posted: 7/5/2001 10:28:07 AM
Well, I see a problem. Alpha 3 takes place before Street Fighter Alpha 3, as does all Alpha's,
so if Bison's alive in SF2, how can Charlie be dead?? Some have also said that Alpha 3 takes
the place of Street Fighter 2, and I say how because Ryu and Ken are certainly younger, as is
everyone else, and Sagat, as far as I know, has no ties to Bison in that one (am I correct in
saying this, not sure). I don't doubt your answer, but there are inconsistencies, although
that's Capcom's result of too many damn SF games and not enough story. Take care.
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Strength is nothing, it is what drives us to become stronger which makes us better men...and women.
From: CamDiggy | Posted: 7/5/2001 10:40:18 AM
Hey GDI, I think you may have typoed (Alpha 3 before SFA3). I agree with you, though. The
storyline (or at least the endings) in SFA3, to me, don't make much sense. And the series
itself doesn't really follow a set path (a pre-prequel after the sequel?) I guess story doesn't
matter quite as much to Capcom anymore. I did like the little story line for SFA2.
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CamDiggy
"I don't need any help! I will get YOU now."
From: Geshwinne Darksoul I | Posted: 7/5/2001 10:43:00 AM
Oops. I meant Alpha 3 before Street Fighter 2. Thanx CamDiggy!!!!!!!! Also I meant As do all
the Alphas. Yeah, somethings rotten in the state of Capcom, especially if Charlie's dead. Take
care.
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Strength is nothing, it is what drives us to become stronger which makes us better men...and women.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/5/2001 4:30:12 PM
The name Dorai for Chun-Li's father is from the Street Fighter II V series. There he survives
an assassination attempt by Cammy, who was hired by Balrog (the boxer), working as a double
agent for both Interpol and Shadowlaw.
In the Street Fighter II Animated Movie, Bison (the dictator) seems to remember killing him
personally, in a flashback where Chun-Li's dad falls through the night air of a city.
In the Street Fighter Alpha animation, Chun-Li seems to think her father is still alive and
that Bison is holding him somewhere.
In the original SF2 games, we only learn that Bison killed Chun-Li's father, and the first two
Alpha games show Chun-Li learning that Bison killed him.
In other words, Chun-Li's father is a very mysterious figure whose doesn't seem to have any
official story except that at some point in time Bison killed him.
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: MLai | Posted: 7/5/2001 6:07:13 PM
What does Ansatsuken mean in English?
What does Shotokan mean in English?
What is Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu called in the Vs games when he's Cyber Akuma? What does that
name (not SGS) mean?
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/5/2001 6:18:02 PM
Oh, so that's who Dorai is. No wonder I didn't know, I really like SF2V too much so I didn't
pay attention to it much. BTW, 90% of SF2V is un-official and is wrong. Chunli's father doesn't
have an official name. As far as his story goes, ProTect pretty much covered all that's been
released.
And as for Zero3 story, not all of it happenned. It's just like the endings in KOF, not all of
it happenned.
The things that did happen in Zero3.
Rose did fight Vega. Guy came and rescued her after.
Ryu was taken over by Vega. Ken, Sakura and Sagat brought him back to his normal self. Vega
ran away after facing Ryu, Ken, Sagat and Sakura. All 13 soldiers(Cammy, Juli, Juli, etc, etc)
turned on Vega. Cammy was nearly killed. Balrog rescued her and placed her in front of Delta
Red HQ. Balrog did not turn against Vega. Mike Bison did not turn against Vega. Vega faced
Guile and Nash in his base. Base started to blow up and Nash stayed and fought so Guile and
Chunli could escape. Nash died, Vega survived. As a side note, T. Hawk wasn't suppossed to take
Juli, he was supposed to take Noembelu. But Capcom was too lazy to make another character so
they just changed it to Juli.
That's the simplified Zero3 ending.
SSF2T story
Vega sets up a tournament because he wants to get back at Ryu, Ken, Chunli and Guile. Sagat
enters to get his re-match against Ryu.
From: Haruo | Posted: 7/5/2001 8:23:11 PM
I always thought Bison actually died in Alpha3, yet his soul/essence manifested into his SF2
body for his second appearance. He refers to this ability in one of the endings. BTW, who is
Noembleu?
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"What strength!! But don't forget there are many guys like you all over the world"
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/5/2001 8:47:15 PM
That's pretty much what I meant. I didn't go into the details with everything because I didn't
want to write a long story. And Noembelu is one of the 13 Shadowloo soldiers. She was the one
that was kidnapped from T Hawk's tribe. But Capcom didn't want to make another character for
Noembelu so they just placed Juli into Noembelu's place. Juli was originally from Germany.
From: Ryu Hayabusa | Posted: 7/6/2001 4:18:25 AM
Where is Bison now? After SSF2T what happened to him?
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From: NightDragon | Posted: 7/6/2001 4:26:30 AM
Hopefully, it'll follow the part where Gouki makes his appearance and kills Bison with the
raging demon and faces the champion (which is probably Ryu, since CAPCOM would of course let
him have his shot against Sagat before Bison, and of course, crushing Sagat!)... that's my
guess! At least I hope that's how it is... because Bison is kinda turning into Geese too.
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"This is my son. I've taught him everything."
- Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
From: Ryu Hayabusa | Posted: 7/6/2001 5:48:02 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot about Gouki coming in and destroying him. But sometimes you see Bison all
beat up in the background. That is hilarious.
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/6/2001 7:42:25 AM
Damn Saiki-Sama, you sure do know an awful lot about the Street Fighter Series...(Which makes
me wonder if you a Capcom informant...j/k)
Well it's good to know this stuff cuz' I really hoped that what happened in SFZ3 wasn't ALL
true (and vice-versa) But Sakura and Sagat HELPING RYU defeat Vega/Bison? @_@!
Anyhow, to answer MLai's question: Anasatsu-ken translates to "Assassin's Fist"
Originally, the Hadouken, Shouryuken, Tatsumaki-sempuu-kyaku, and Shun Goku Satsu were meant
to kill and opponent instead of, well, defeat them. (But in the SGS's case, it's used to kill!)
Shotokan means nothing; it's a stupid typo Capcom made when SF2 was popular and they wanted to
give Ryu and Ken a fighting style. It was supposed to be "Sho-RYU-ken", but some idiot messed
it up and spelled it Sho-Too-kan". *lol*
And for the SGS: it means "Imprisoning Death Flash" and was the most powerful move of the
Assassin's Fist techniques. The only problem was that no human could use/perfect the move
without gettin killed from it too. Therefore, that's "probably" the only reason Gouki/Akuma
can survive using the move because he's NOT human.
I hope that helps!
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: Golden Hell | Posted: 7/6/2001 7:45:42 AM
So does Alpha3 still come before SF2?
Because if it does, then how come Sagat is a Shadaloo/Shadowlaw lord in SF2 even though he
betrayed Bison(Vega in Japan) in Alpha3? Is Bison such a nice and forgiving soul or has the
storyline changed for SF2 and Sagat is no longer one of the lords of Shadaloo?
And about that T.Hawk thing, it makes sense because when those other Dolls jump down for
Juni/Juli's intro there was one girl who looked native american (she had the stereotypical
Indian feather on her headband). I always wondered why T.Hawk went after Juli instead of that
other Doll. Now, its all cleared up :)
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/6/2001 10:31:31 AM
Who taught Goutsetsu? Or was he the founder of the techniques?
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From: SuperVeggitto | Posted: 7/6/2001 11:38:12 AM
Seems like their making it up and fixing up the lose ends as they go, because they most
defenitely were not thinking of backstory when they first made SF2. This is good to see, as
it's lately seemed that Capcom didn't give a wazoo about storyline. Besides you have to
remember that SF/SF2 came before Alpha, so of course their's alot of work that needs to be done
to it. (How are they gonna explain the Cammy/Bison love thing?)
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Still waiting for Rose and Thor in the next MvsC...
From: NightDragon | Posted: 7/6/2001 2:22:39 PM
Heh heh, beats the crap outta me. If it follows A3, then I believe it's that Cammy was a doll
created with Bison's DNA so she can siphon his psycho powers if he gets killed, I THINK, heh I
dunno. Then of course, he probably rapes her and does with her body as he wishes on the side
as well... thus that lame excuse that they were "lovers" in the ST ending...
Beats me!
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"This is my son. I've taught him everything."
- Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
From: NightDragon | Posted: 7/6/2001 2:26:09 PM
Oh wait a minute... hmmmm...
It really is confusing I guess... cuz by the ST ending, she gets reunited with her MI-6 team
(damn, I was hoping she was a British SAS!!!), but if A3 comes after SF2, that negates that
since she's still Bison's doll... confusing.
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"This is my son. I've taught him everything."
- Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/6/2001 4:57:56 PM
Hey True Warrior, haven't seen you here in a while. What you been doin? I hope all goes well
with the translation faqs. Anyways, Sagat didn't really help Ryu defeat Vega. It was pretty
much, Ryu controlled by Vega vs Sagat, Ken and Sakura vs Vega.
Golden Hell
Alpha3 comes before SF2. And Sagat's storyline has changed for SF2. He's not one of the 4 lords
of Shadowloo. With the new storyline, it's Ryu's turn to go challenge Sagat this time because
Sagat beat him. Even though Ryu was controlled by Vega, a loss is a loss. Neither Ryu or Sagat
actually has a clean win over each other. Ryu won the 1st time by tapping into the powers of
"Satsui no Hado/Dark Hado". Sagat won the 2nd time because Ryu was brainwashed. That's why
Sagat isn't in SFIII, he's waiting in Thailand for the real re-match against Ryu.
Silent J
Goutetsu was the founder of the techniques.
Super Veggitto
Actually that Cammy/Vega love thing doesn't exist. It never did. In the original Japanese Cammy
ending. Vega tells Cammy that she was a spy that was sent into the Delta Red. But Capcom USA
decided that they're gonna change the ending and make them lovers. So basically, the love thing
never existed. It was all made up by the dumb translators.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/6/2001 5:35:49 PM
Yo Saiki-Sama! Life's good; I'm on vacation right now, but when I return...well, let' just say
Mark of the Wolves and Capcom vs. SNK 2 are already on the translation list...
I figured Capcom of America would do something stupid like that to keep the real story "clean"
and "simple" for American game players.
*THIS IS WHY YOU IMPORT GAMES!!!*
Later...
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From: BlackNinjaVinny | Posted: 7/6/2001 5:44:06 PM
Amen to that True Warrior.
So the Zero/Alpha series comes before Street Fighter 2, eh? Figures. Though I'd like to see
Street Fighter 1 character designs. Anyone got a pic of Ryu and Ken in game? And I'm confused
about Cammy. Let me get this straight. In the Zero/Alpha series, she was with Shadaloo. THen,
in the SFII series, she was with MI-6 or whatever, right?
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/6/2001 6:04:16 PM
True Warrior
No wonder I didn't see you here for a while. Must be nice to be able to go on a vacation. MOTW
and CvS2, wow you've got alot to translating to do. If you need some help, just e-mail me as
usual.
And about Capcom USA, I think they're the most useless company in the world. They like to take
things away and change storylines alot.
Black Ninja
Which pics do u wanna see of Ryu/Ken in SF1? I've got in game, the official drawings or the
drawings that were made later on.
With Cammy, she was with Shadowloo in the Zero series. But after the whole taking down Vega
incident in Zero3, she lost her memory. Balrog, rescued her and placed her infront of the
Delta Red base. Commander Wolfman found her and took her in. Trained her for 3 years and then
it's SF2 time.
From: NightDragon | Posted: 7/6/2001 9:36:03 PM
So SF2 DOES occur after A3... so glad that's cleared up. There's a lot of evidence people bring
out on both sides that say one occurs before/after another, so I'm finally glad that at least
I've finally seen the best evidence saying that A3 does indeed happen before SF2! Almost more
holes than the RE storyline... (but glad there's some saving grace due to the WESKER Report!)
Sagat re-training in Thailand eh... SF4... hosted by Sagat again? That'd be pretty cool...
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"This is my son. I've taught him everything."
- Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
From: Empty Sheet Of Paper | Posted: 7/7/2001 2:47:17 PM
I think A3 happens before, during, and after SSF2. Depending on what character you pick is when
it happens. Also, A3 was like Real Bout Fatal Fury, it wasn't a tournament, it was just some
guys kicking the crap out of each other on their way to find Bison. At least, that's my twisted
little logic.
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/7/2001 4:11:49 PM
Zero3/Alpha3 happenned 3 years before SSF2. And like you said, it wasn't a tournaments. None of
the Zero games were tournaments. The only tournaments in SF were SF1, SF2, and SF3.
From: Shachi 999 | Posted: 7/8/2001 2:51:16 AM
This topic is really helping me grasp some of the story of the SF series. But since the SF
story has more holes then swiss cheese due to too many versions and prequels and pre-prequel,
pre-sequels etc. And are you sure shotoken was a translation error? Cause I thought that Capcom
just originally made them basic karate fighters (my friend is a black belt in shotokan karate)
but then decided that that was way too basic and decided to give them a more interesting and
powerful special fighting style. Maybe I'm wrong though ^_^ Anyway with the way the SF series
is I don't think Capcom can salvage the story no matter how many SF games they make (does
anyone else think that it is so funny that there is a SF3 3! cause I sure do ^_^ ) And I think
the RE series was done very well story wise, it makes perfect sense to me.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/8/2001 10:56:46 AM
In some ways that's true. Originally in SF1, Ryu and Ken were users of Kyokushinkai Karate. But
when SF2 came around, they decided to change their style to Ansatsuken. Their Ansatsuken right
now is based off of elements of Karate, Judo, Taekwondo and Koppo.
From: Golden Hell | Posted: 7/9/2001 11:12:02 AM
Interesting stuff Saiki.
The next question is a bit much cause I don't think Capcom even thought about it (or cared) but
I figured I'd ask anyways...
So when does Slammasters and Final Fight 1,2, and 3 fall into place within the Street Fighter
chronology? I know this question isn't strictly Street Fighter related, but these games are
part of the "street fighter universe".
I recall that in Final Fight 2 they mentioned that Guy has a fiance (Maki's sister I think) but
nothing was ever mentioned of it again. If the Alpha series is before FF2 then it would make
sense cause it'd be before his engagement. And wasn't there an old man that was kidnapped as
well, I think they said it was Guy's master (I could be way off base here), but I thought Zeku
was Guy's master. Or is this just another case of bad translations by Capcom of America.
Also, is Gunloc/Colt really Guile's brother or has that never been answered yet?
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/9/2001 3:50:11 PM
If I remember right, Final Fight 1 was set in 1990, which would have been a year before Street
Fighter II (if it took place in 1991) and after the Alpha series (presuming that the Alphas
took place immediately after Street Fighter 1 in 1987).
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/9/2001 5:21:55 PM
Final Fight 1 took place in mid 1980's. I think FF2 takes place a year after FF1. I have no
clue on FF3. Slammasters and Super Muscle Bomber both take place before Final Fight 1. I know
that the final downfall of Mad Gear took 1 year before Zero3. This most likely being Final
Fight 2.
Yes, Guys fiance is Maki's older sister called Lenna. The old man who was kidnapped was Maki's
father. His name was Genryusai. At the time, Capcom said that he was Guy's master. They changed
him to just being Maki's dad and master.
And no, Gunloc/Colt is not Guile's brother or relative. They not related in any way at all.
That was just Capcom USA making things up as usual. The real story is that he was picked up by
Haggar and trained by him alongside Alexei(I don't know his US name). Gunloc has gotten in a
fight with Cody because he tried to get Jessica.(Gunloc lost pretty bad too).
BTW, the only person thats related to Guile is Ken. They're brothers in law. Julia(Guile's
wife) and Eliza are sisters.
From: Haruo | Posted: 7/9/2001 5:25:35 PM
Is that official, Saiki? Why haven't we seen any Ken/Guile interaction throughout the past like
10 years!?!
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"What strength!! But don't forget there are many guys like you all over the world"
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/9/2001 5:28:23 PM
It's official. It's been like that since SF2. I have no clue why Capcom hasn't done anything
about it. They've said that Guile will never talk to Ken because he hates Ken's arrogant, cocky
and playboyish attitude.
From: Haruo | Posted: 7/9/2001 5:32:39 PM
Dammit! Linking characters like that sounds soooo SNK-ish!! Capcom had a chance to beat out
SNK in terms of storyline, but instead they just screwed themselves over (not that I'm really
mad, it's just they'd probably still have a lot of their old fans)...
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"What strength!! But don't forget there are many guys like you all over the world"
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/9/2001 5:39:28 PM
It's typical Capcom thinking.
Why do more work when we have lots of fans.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/9/2001 6:04:20 PM
In my 10 years of American fandom, I've never encountered that bit of information.
Must make for some cold family reunions...
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Zenith | Posted: 7/9/2001 7:07:19 PM
What about the EX series, does that tie in with the rest of the SF storyline? How about Kairi's
story, he's supposed to be part of Guy's Bushin Ryuu Clan along with sisters Hokuto and Nanase
can you shed some light on this? Also did Kairi really kill Gouki?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/9/2001 7:47:49 PM
Protect
I'm not too surprised, Capcom USA never released this information. I think they wanted to keep
the story as simple as possible.
Zenith
The EX series doesn't tie in with the actual SF storyline. It's the same up until SF2. After
that, it pretty much goes on it's own direction storywise.
Kairi - He was born in a family that was destined to be assassins. Roughly 10 years ago, he
fought someone(most likely Gouki) and fell off a cliff. This caused him to loose his memory.
The only thing he remembered was "To master ones own fist".
Hokuto - Like Kairi, shares the same destiny to become an assassin. Also she was born to be an
assassin, she wasn't at first. This is because she was raised by a different father than Kairi. This father sealed her dark soul hoping it would never awaken. When she was 17, she was told about her older brother Kairi and she went on a journey to find him. When they met, they engaged in a furious battle. This caused her seal to be broken and her dark soul was released. She turned into a assasin that was destined to kill Kairi.
Nanase - She also shares the same blood as Kairi and Hokuto but doesn't share the same destiny
to become an assassin. Unlike Kairi and Hokuto, she's out-going and more talkative. When Hokuto
left the family to search for Kairi, Nanase was soon to follow.
The only survivor out of the three is Nanase. When Nanase came to stop Hokuto and Kairi's
battle, both were just about to land their finishing blow. Kairi's was faster and would have
landed first. But because Nanase yelled for them to stop, Kairi had slightly slowed his fist.
This caused Kairi and Hokuto's blow to land at the same time. That's the official ending so far
but most likely Arika won't be able to kill off two of their favorite characters so the ending
will most likely change.
BTW, none of them are in the same clan as Guy.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/9/2001 8:16:36 PM
How come so many characters fall off cliffs? Can't Capcom think of anything more original? It's
starting to get kind of old.
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/9/2001 8:58:59 PM
Capcom cliff victims:
It's not that many, really. The only one I can think of at the moment is Charlie in Alpha 2.
Kairi's actually an Arika character. Does he count?
Then there was the boss of Final Fight, who fell out of a window.
Likewise, Geese countless times, but he's SNK.
Heihachi (and also Kazuya, in the movie) fell off a cliff, but that's Namco.
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/9/2001 10:00:56 PM
Well even though they suck ass, Capcom of America says that Gouken was thrown off a cliff too.
Then there was Charlie, and that Kairi person, for SF anyways.
Is that the only way Capcom can think to explain the disappearance of a character?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/9/2001 10:09:42 PM
Gouken didn't fall off a cliff. He fought Gouki in his temple and supposedly died. The only
person that was there was Gouken's daughter. Both Gouken and Gouken's daughter haven't been
seen then. Most likely Gouken is dead and Capcom probably forgot about Gouken's daughter.
For a while I thought Sakura might be Gouken's daughter, but that was proven wrong immediately.
And Kairi is Arika's character.
So the only character that really fell off a cliff in the Capcom world is Nash.
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/9/2001 10:49:57 PM
Knowing Capcom they'll think up a quick way to put her in, like Juni will be Gouken's daughter
or something! >:) :D ^_^'''
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From: Golden Hell | Posted: 7/10/2001 11:08:04 AM
Man, Saiki, I must say I've learned more about the SF story from this one topic than I have
from the ten years of playing the games and looking for info. Mainly because the info I find
is from Capcom USA and they're apparently idiots when it comes to bringing over the true SF
storyline. Unfortunately, I don't have access to any official Japanese books (not that I could
read them anyway).
So does the chronology go something like this:
Slammasters/Muscle Bomber {Haggar was a wrestler}
Ring of Destruction {Haggar still a wrestler}
Final Fight {Haggar is now the mayor}
Street Fighter/Fighting Street
Final Fight 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo
Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
I guess FF3 can fall anywhere. I didn't know if any storylines in Alpha 1 or 2 was considered
official so I didn't include them (just like I didn't include the other 4 versions of SF2 or
the other 2 versions of SF3). Is there any other game that ties into the SF world besides Final
Fight and Slammasters? One more thing, if Guile's wife is Julia (Jane in America), what is his
daughter's name (Amy in the US)?
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/10/2001 11:12:55 AM
I didn't even know that Gouken had a daughter. Maybe she could hook up with Ryu ^_^. He needs
a girlfriend.
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/10/2001 12:08:35 PM
YOU'RE THE MAN SAIKI-SAMA!!!! YOU'RE THE MAN!!!
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/10/2001 4:11:23 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Guile's daughter was Kris (Chris, Cris, etc.) in the Japanese version.
I'd never heard of Gouken's daughter, either, but that description of his death sounds a lot
like the version from the US Street Fighter animated series.
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/10/2001 6:09:33 PM
Here's the chronology
Slammasters/Muscle Bomber {Haggar was a wrestler}
Ring of Destruction {Haggar still a wrestler}
Final Fight {Haggar is now the mayor}
Street Fighter/Fighting Street
Final Fight 2/Street Fighter Alpha 2(Guy wasn't in FF2 because he was chasing down Vega/Bison)
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo
Street Fighter 3:2nd Impact
Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
Alpha1 and Alpha2 are the same game story-wise. All the endings in Alpha2 are pretty much
upgraded endings of Alpha1. Capcom has said that Rival Schools also ties in with the SF story.
Although I think that Rival Schools is also in a different universe like SFEX.
And like ProTect said, guile's daughters name is Kris/Chris/Cris. I don't know the official
english spelling.
BTW, ProTect, what is this US Street Fighter animated series?
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/10/2001 6:12:04 PM
"""Alpha1 and Alpha2 are the same game story-wise. All the endings in Alpha2 are pretty much
upgraded endings of Alpha1."""
I KNEW this had to be true! Thank you! ^_^
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"a huge ball of blue chi.......chi's fat and blue" ~Zyzyfer
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/10/2001 6:27:55 PM
It used to air Saturday mornings on the USA Television Network, along with X-Men and Mortal
Kombat.
It mostly followed the live-action US Street Fighter movie in terms of story (Dhalsim was a
former scientist, Blanka was really Charlie, etc.), and included characters from that movie
such as Captain Sawada.
Later episodes had cameos from SF Alpha characters such as Sodom and Rose.
You can find VCDs of it at various internet stores.
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/10/2001 6:29:34 PM
Hmmm.... it follows the same story as the live action movie.....
It's a good thing I never ran into it.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/10/2001 6:31:46 PM I feel much the same way about it as I feel about
SF2V. It's not canonical, but it has its moments (like the time when Bison and Guile team up
against Akuma).
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/10/2001 6:52:26 PM
!!!ROFLMAO!!!!
ProTech, are you kidding, that Street Fighter animated series RIVALED THE HORROR OF THE STREET
FIGHTER MOVIE!!!
Come on: Ken AND Ryu (who speaks perfect english) on a special anti-terrorist strike force
WITH Guile, Blanka, Chun-Li, T. Hawk and Dhalsim! O_O!!!!
Cammy on Delta Red with Burke, Rorey, and Celia (Ya' know, we never found out who that other
girl in Cammy's Super Street Fighter 2 ending is...Saiki-Sama, could you help?)
Blanka, the Nature-loving "We must be one with the forces that be" pacifist!
My stomach still hurts when I hear about that series...ROFLMAO!!!
*IF ANYONE IS THINKING ABOUT FINDING THAT STREET FIGHTER SERIES, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU
SEEK A PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION BEFORE YOU BUY THOSE TAPES BECAUSE IT"S THAT HORRIBLE!!!*
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/10/2001 7:01:06 PM
Ok, now that sounds bad. Real bad. Now I'm really glad I never encountered something like that. I can't believe Capcom even let them destroy street Fighter like that. But then they allowed the live action movie......
Oh, and to answer your question True Warrior.
Delta Red team members
Colonel Keith Wolfman(the leader)
Lietenant Lita Luwanda(the chick with the BIG sword)
Cammy White
Matthew Mcoy(The BIG ogre dude)
George Ginz(The SMALL midget thing)
There was one more person that was above Wolfman in rankings but his name escapes my mind right
now.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/10/2001 7:24:01 PM
I have a couple questions:
What is Gouken's daughter's name?
Is Urien human?
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/10/2001 7:50:37 PM
Gouken's daughter's name is unknown, or better put, not been made up yet. She's always refered
to Ryu and Ken as "Ojousan". Loosely translated, means "Young Miss". I'm really not expecting
them to bring her back ever again .
As for Urien, he's human but he's not. Both Gill and Urien are kinda like Vega in a sense that
there soul won't die. Urien is basically, like everyone says, is a demi-god.
This is just my own theory from here:
When SF2 was released, Capcom said that Vega was trained by someone along-side two other
people. So there were two others that were on the same level as Vega and one more that was even
stronger than Vega. Capcom never said who Vega's master was or who these two mystery people
were. I personally think that Gill and Urien are the two mystery people that Vega trained with. I think that there's still one more person one-step above Vega, Gill and Urien who's watching over both. This is just my theory though. From: ProTect | Posted: 7/10/2001 9:35:26 PM Yeah, the story for the US series was awful (though I think it wasn't nearly as bad as the movie, which didn't even take itself seriously).
But there's one thing I've got to give it and the other SF animations: Akuma is powerful and/or
mysterious, as he should be.
The games screw up Akuma by putting him on the same level with all the other fighters. In
almost every animation I've ever seen, Akuma is so powerful no one can even touch him.
This is the demon master who slaughtered Gouken and Goutetsu, not the balanced opponent of the
games.
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/10/2001 11:12:51 PM
Yup. The magic of using Akuma was lost after he was made fully playable. They should've kept
him hidden. There's a special rule that says hidden characters can be overpowered, and that's
what they should've done with Akuma IMO.
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: Golden Hell | Posted: 7/11/2001 1:46:38 PM
Thanks, Saiki. Hopefully, I'm not pestering you too much with my never-ending questions; I just
like learning as much about the SF universe as possible.
Speaking of never-ending questions, here's a few more ^_^
1) What is the official reason as to why Cody went to jail? I heard that in FF: Revenge he was
framed by the Mad Gears, but in Alpha, they said he just wouldn't stop beating up people. Also,
is he still going out with Jessica? (must be hard for Mayor Haggar to explain to the press that
his daughter is going out with a known felon)
2) What is the official storyline regarding Remy? I know there was some talk on the boards
regarding possible family relations, any truth to any of this?
3) Any backstory with Q? I like this guy but there's absolutely no info on this character.
4) Who won each of the three SF tournaments. I assume Ryu won the first one. Did Chun Li win
the second? I recall in SF3 some dialogue saying Chunny took down "That organization" (I'm
assuming Shadaloo). I'm also assuming Alex won the third tourney considering he is supposed to
be the main star.
There'll probably be more questions to come :)
On another note, I read on another topic that Poison is really a dude. I can't believe Capcom
made this official, I thought this was a plot twist in some writer's manga. Well, this is one
story that'll never make it to US shores (thankfully). Anyways, thanks again for the info,
Saiki!
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/11/2001 2:39:55 PM
I always thought the ending involving Poison turning out to be male was just a stab at the
censorship Capcom of American put into the US home ports of the original Final Fight. Poison
and Roxy were replaced by skinny green haired punks named Sid.
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"a huge ball of blue chi.......chi's fat and blue" ~Zyzyfer
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/11/2001 5:54:18 PM
1) Cody went to jail because he beat up too many people. Eddi E is the one that arrested him
and Poison set the whole thing up. I don't know how Eddi E and Poison are still running around
free though. Jessica broke up with Cody a long time ago. At this time, Jessica is missing. I
think thats the reason why Haggar is keeping Cody in jail, cuz Haggar is pissed.
2) The official story for Remy that was released is that his dad desserted him and his older
sister. When his sister died, he froze her in that ice and kept her in that cavern. Now he
wants to kill everyone that fights. There is no truth to Remy being related to anyone in
Street Fighter. Neither Guile or Nash are related to him.
3) Nothing is known at all about Q. I really like this guy too but Capcom hasn't released
anything about him. Although they've said he's not a robot. But that's about it.
4) Street Fighter 1 - Ryu won with a cheap shot
Street Fighter 2 - ???I have no clue on this one. I know Gouki did defeat Vega. Capcom has at
least confirmed this but they didn't say who was fighting Vega at that time. I'm guessing it
was Guile.
Street Fighter 3 - Alex
And as for Poison. Poison started off as a female character in Final Fight J. When it came
over to the US, she was changed to a guy. Capcom Japan actually liked the idea and made her
into a him(transvestite). And now Capcom has said that Poison got a sex change is now a women.
From: Xero Kaiser | Posted: 7/11/2001 5:57:37 PM
Why was she changed into a guy in the US?
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/11/2001 5:59:48 PM
I think Capcom USA had a problem with a guy beating up on women (strange, they seemed to get
over that real quick for SF2).
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/11/2001 6:00:00 PM
"It's bad influence for young kids if they hit girls in the game. That's why my kid is bad,
it's not my fault!"
Typical quote a parent who can't take the blame for having a bad kid would say.
Capcom US made sure that they can't say that.
From: Xero Kaiser | Posted: 7/11/2001 6:08:10 PM
did they alter her sprites at all?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/11/2001 6:10:07 PM
I'm not sure, I haven't played the US version. I highly doubt it though.
From: Dragonmaster Alex | Posted: 7/11/2001 6:32:57 PM
Saiki~ Alex won Street Fighter III? So did Ryu 'lose' or was he just not motivated?
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"I don't lose."
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/11/2001 7:43:11 PM
Ryu doesn't fight to win. Winning isn't everything to Ryu. So in that sense, he might have let
Alex win. I can't say for sure. All Capcom has said is that Alex won the 3rd tournament.
From: Palidor | Posted: 7/11/2001 7:49:05 PM
Wait..
Street Fighter has a STORYLINE?
*Faints*
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Pretty colors..
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/11/2001 7:52:07 PM
Surprisingly, yeah it does. I'd write a Street Fighter story FAQ like KLantis did for KOF but
I ran into a problem. When I started.....tried to make a faq, I realized my writing skills were
like....a 10 year olds. If I had KLantis's writing skills, it'd be a whole different story.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/11/2001 8:23:37 PM
I have a question about Ken. In SF2 WW, he has just married Eliza, but in SFA3, he mentions
Eliza, as if they were already married. Is that part of the SFA3 storyline legit? If SFA3 takes
place before SF2 WW, he hasn't married Eliza yet has he?
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/11/2001 8:54:35 PM
Saiki: I have good writing skills. If you want to type up an outline or something then maybe
later this summer I can put it into words and we an co-make a massive Street Fighter storyline
guide. :)
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"a huge ball of blue chi.......chi's fat and blue" ~Zyzyfer
From: MLai | Posted: 7/11/2001 8:57:13 PM
Wait, Alex couldn't have won SF3. In his SF3:3's ending, it shows that Ryu had beaten him with
one punch.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/11/2001 9:16:53 PM
Shinkuu Hadoken
Ken mentions Eliza in Zero3? I can't remember Ken mentioning anything about Eliza in Zero3. I
might've just forgotten though. But anyways, during the Zero series timeline, Ken and Eliza
were going out. They get married in SF2.
MLai
Ryu would beat the living s**t out of Alex if he wanted to. But the thing is, if he wanted to.
I don't know how Alex somehow didn't lose to Ryu cuz all Capcom says is that Alex won the SFIII
tourney. My guess is that Ryu let him win.
Neo Rasa
YES!!! Sounds like a VERY, VERY GOOD PLAN. I've always wanted to make a street fighter
storyline guide but my writing skills always stopped me. But if you can put the outlines into
words, that would be GREAT!
From: Dragonmaster Alex | Posted: 7/11/2001 9:36:30 PM
I figured Ryu either let him win or just didn't care about the tournament. After all, he wasn't
even supposed to be there. (damn fans and their demandings)
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"I don't lose."
From: Zenith | Posted: 7/12/2001 4:27:13 AM
Maybe Ryu beat Alex maybe he didn't, but Gill was the Tournament Champion so it was who ever
beat him that won the Tournament. Meaning Alex beat Gill. Maybe Ryu wasn't actualy in the
tournament, perhaps he was just "passing through" the neighbourhood and gave Alex a match.
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"Everyone has the right to be stupid, some people just abuse the privilege."
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/12/2001 9:09:30 AM
Ken mentions Eliza in one of his win quotes.
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From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:37:48 AM
Heh, I actually started to write a SF story FAQ, but eventually forgot about it. Here it is if
anyone is interested:
A little note before reading the history. Most people tend to believe that when an upgrade for
a Street Fighter game is released that the upgraded version endings takes the place of the
older version. So instead of using Street Fighter II endings, we would use Super Street Fighter
II: Turbo�s ending, SF III to SF III: 3rd Strike, etc. However between Street Fighter Alpha 2
and 3, much confusion begins to take place. Alpha 2 seems to continue on to Alpha 3, rather
than 3 taking precedence over 2. For example Adon learns about Akuma in his ending in Alpha 2,
and in part 3 continues his journey to find him and kill him. Also some of Alpha 3 endings seem
to conflict with SSF2T, causing even more confusion.
So for the guides sake we will use the following games for the history:
Street Fighter
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Super Street Fighter II: Turbo
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
And one last thing, I am quite unsure where the EX games fit, or if they even belong or would
fit the normal (if you can call it that) SF timeline. So until I can find some bios and such
for the EX games, I will omit it from the history (for now anyway), and for anyone that asks
the Versus games do not fit into the story.
---The Beginning---
Before the epic battle between Ryu and Sagat took place, even before any of these fighters
would be born, events had taken place around the world that would determine the future of
nearly all the future street fighters around the world.
A secret society has ruled the underworld since BC times. They had one goal in mind, to bring
Utopia to the Earth. However this goal would not be reached until the year 2200 AD. This would
take many, many years, however this society would reach their goals, no matter how long it
took. A President, who would be chosen every 24 years out of 1,024 children, would govern this
secret society. Using various foretelling crafts, few of the 1,024 children were picked, and
the few picked were then highly educated. As they became adults, only one would be chosen as
President. This cycle has continued on till this very day, were there current President Gill,
continues the society's dream of Utopia.
This however is but one piece of the puzzle that would connect many men and women across the
world.
Japan, Goutsetsu, current master of the art of Shotokan. The art of Shotokan is the deadliest
art of fighting known to man. What made the art so deadly were the techniques that could
cripple or even kill an opponent and a forbidden technique that could not only kill one's
opponent but the user of the move as well, the Shun Goku Satsu. Goutsetsu growing older and
older decided to teach these arts to two pupils Gouken and Akuma, who were also brothers. The
two learned the arts very well, and became masters of the Shotokan art. Gouken followed in the
warrior's path and continued perfecting the Shotokan art, perfecting. Akuma however was not as
pleased as his brother with his master's teachings.
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:38:18 AM
Akuma had somehow learned that his master hid one technique from him and his brother Gouken.
It was the Shun Goku Satsu. Goutsetsu feared that any who knew or even attempted this move
would surly be destroyed, and if they somehow survived the ordeal, they would be the greatest
threat to every living thing in this world. Akuma left his master and his brother in search for
the secrets of the Shun Goku Satsu, believing that his master was a fool to shun such a
powerful technique. Akuma believed that a true warrior would do anything, and vowed that when
he learned the secrets he would return. Akuma journeyed into the world, looking for the secrets
of the Shun Goku Satsu, meanwhile honing his skills against anyone that he deemed worthy.
Gouken, never knowing of his brother's true motives to search for the forbidden technique, but
of the ever apparent evil growing inside him, parted ways with his master, and made his home
somewhere in the mountains of Japan.
Thailand, a young Muay Thai kickboxer known as Sagat, had become the new Street Fighter
champion. During his reign as champion, a fighter known as Go Hibiki challenged Sagat. Go was a
great fighter, and for awhile had the upper hand against Sagat. However during the battle Go
accidentally hit Sagat in his right eye, forever forcing the champ to wear an eye patch. Sagat
was furious. In a blind fit of rage Sagat savagely and brutally killed Go. Sagat's eye was
bleeding as he stood over Go's lifeless body. Sagat placed his hand over his now blind eye,
and walked away, leaving Go's body to rot. News of Go's death reached his only son Dan.
Dan was shocked by this news. He knew his father was a powerful man and believed that he could
never be beaten. Dan's carefree days were over; all that mattered to him now was avenging his
father's wrongful death. Dan, still full of rage and hatred searched for a master that would
train him, in hopes that he could become strong enough to defeat Sagat, and take his revenge.
He found Master Gouken. Gouken agreed to train Dan and for awhile began to teach Dan the more
advanced techniques of Shotokan. But Gouken later learned of Dan's personal desire for revenge
and refused to complete Dan's training. Gouken feared that if Dan were taught the arts of
Shotokan, he would fall to the same fate as his brother. Gouken banished Dan from his dojo,
leaving Dan to learn another art from another master.
Some time after banishing Dan, Gouken journeyed to town. There he discovered an orphan boy
named Ryu. Gouken took the boy to his dojo, and raised him as if he were his own son. He also
began to train Ryu in the art of Shotokan. Ryu possessed an amazing talent and quickly learned
the arts of his master. Gouken noticed that Ryu would one day become an amazing fighter, his
dedication to Shotokan was unlike any he had ever seen, and he knew that he would one day
surpass him, and perhaps even his former master, Goutsetsu. Sometime in Ryu's early teens,
Gouken received another pupil, an American boy by the name of Ken.
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:39:02 AM
The two quickly became the best of friends, as well as rivals. Ken also possessed the same
ability as Ryu, in that he could learn the arts of Shotokan very quickly. Gouken believed that
his two pupils were ready for the advanced arts of the Shotokan, the techniques that could
cripple an opponent, the Hadou Ken, a mystic ball of energy that was powered from one's soul.
The Shouryuu Ken, an amazing uppercut that temporarily left its user invincible, and the
Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku, a technique that lifted its user off the ground and attacking with the
fury of a hurricane. Another of Gouken pupil Retsu, had not shown enough promise to learn these
techniques, but Retsu stayed by his master's side nonetheless. Ryu and Ken, after learning the
techniques wished to test it out against other fighters, and thus entered the Street Fighter
tournament.
Ryu and Ken beat everyone in the tournament. From a street punk named Birdie, a ninja assassin
known as Geki, an English gentleman that wielded sticks as he fought, a boxer name Mike, even
a master of two different martial arts, Gen. They also managed to defeat the current champion's
number one pupil Adon. The two had reached the finals of the tournament, however only one could
face the champion, and the two went into battle. The battle was long, and hard fought by both,
but in the end Ryu won the battle. Ken wished his friend good luck in the upcoming battle
against the champion, Sagat. Before Ryu and Sagat began their battle, Sagat mocked Ryu, saying
how a mere child could never defeat him. Ryu however proved to be a formidable opponent, and
with one blow from the Shouryuu Ken, defeated Sagat. Sagat was humiliated, not only was he
beaten by a mere child, but the Shouryuu Ken left a huge scar on his chest forever reminding
him of his defeat.
Meanwhile, Akuma had found what his master tried to hide from him, the Shun Goku Satsu. Akuma
wanted to test out his newfound skill and what better way to test it out, then his former
master Goutsetsu. Akuma found his master in his dojo, Goutsetsu seemed to have been awaiting
Akuma's arrival, however he did not foresee Akuma learning the Shun Goku Satsu. Caught off
guard by this Akuma sealed his master's fate, and killed him. Now there was only one person
that could possibly oppose him, his brother Gouken.
Ryu and Ken returned to their master, eager to tell him of their victory. However when they
got there a great horror awaited them. Atop the mountain Gouken was battling someone, someone
who resembled a demon. The two raced to their master's aide, but they were too late. The demon
had defeated their master, and threw his lifeless body off the cliff. The two tried battling
this demon, but he mocked them, saying that he would never waste his time battling mere
students, and vanished. Retsu had been injured but was still alive, told them that the demon
was Gouken's own brother, Akuma. He wasn't sure why Akuma was here, only that he wished to
fight his brother. Gouken's three pupils searched for his Gouken's body, but they never found
it. Retsu bid Ryu and Ken to become stronger, for Akuma may one day return and kill them. Retsu
somehow believed that his master was alive and he would search for him. The three warriors
parted, Ryu and Ken continuing their training and Retsu, searching for his master, Gouken.
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:40:05 AM
Elsewhere, in Metro City, U.S.A, newly elected Mayor and former Street Fighter champion Mike
Haggar had promise to rid the city from the Mad Gear gang. However the leader of the Mad Gear
was not too pleased about the new mayor, and ordered his men to kidnap Haggar's daughter,
Jessica. The Mad Gear gang planed on using Jessica as ransom in hopes that they could control
the mayor. However this mayor would not be controlled. Along with Jessica's boyfriend Cody and
Haggar's friend Guy, they set out to rescue Jessica. They traveled throughout all of Metro
City, dismantling the Mad Gear Gang piece by piece.
Together they single handily stormed the headquarters of the Mad Gear Gang and defeated their
leader and wiped out the Mad Gear gang's influence over Metro City. Some of the gang members
managed to escape however, and would appear once again at another time.
Meanwhile back in Thailand, a criminal organization much larger than the Mad Gear gang, an
organization known as Shadaloo, lead by the tyrant M.Bison had suddenly risen in power. His
influence was great, and power even greater. He wanted to rule the world, and in order to do
this he would need powerful men and women, men and women who he could control. He set out on a
worldwide campaign searching for men and women who could help him reach his goals. His more
powerful recruits include former Heavyweight champion boxer Balrog, Spanish Matador and Bison's
personal assassin Vega, a young and beautiful women named Cammy, twins Juni and Juli, even the
former Street Fighter champion Sagat. However there was one man that Bison wanted, the man that
defeated Sagat, Ryu.
Bison sent his newfound warriors and sent them across the world to search for Ryu. However Ryu
was no where to be found. This was because Ryu was on a hidden island, fighting Akuma. This
fight was unlike any other. The two warriors were nearly equal in skill, but not in power.
Akuma's power was far greater than Ryu's yet Akuma never unleashed his full power. Akuma had
sensed the same aura that he possessed and that Ryu could become even stronger. Knowing one day
that Ryu would grow as strong as him, perhaps even greater, and that the two will face in one
last battle, with only one surviving the confrontation. Akuma told Ryu that they would meet
once again when the "evil intent" inside him awakens, and striking the ground with his fist
Akuma sank the island, leaving Ryu to contemplate what Akuma meant by the "evil intent" that
was inside him.
As Bison searched for Ryu, others were searching for him. Charlie along with his best friend
Guile were ordered to find Bison and bring him to justice. Chun-li was searching for Bison to
avenge the death of her father. T. Hawk searched for Bison because he had taken his people's
ancestral land, and driven away his people. A street punk from the last Street Fighter
tournament, Birdie, searched for Bison in hopes of becoming a member of Shadaloo. Rose searched
for Bison, because she had been sensing that Bison had been abusing his powers, and needed to
put a stop to it. These were only minor incidents to Bison and he continued his search for Ryu,
but was never able to find him. He did however find someone whose skill and powers were almost
identical to Ryu, Ken. Bison brainwashed Ken, and forced Ryu out of hiding.
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:40:51 AM
Bison used Ken, and completed his goal in capturing Ryu. Bison needed to control Ryu, and
placed him in a brainwashing machine. However this would prove disastrous to Bison, because
this machine unleashed the "evil intent" within Ryu, giving even greater strength. It is
unknown how Ryu managed to escape Bison's lair, but he managed to escape and push back the
"evil intent" within him. As Ryu and Ken made their escape from Bison's lair Charlie and Guile
managed to find Bison's lair and planned an assault on it. However, Bison and his own minions
had thwarted their plan capturing the two. The two did manage to escape and destroy Bison's
lair, however, Charlie did not survive.
Bison was enraged, not only was his lair destroyed along with his most powerful weapon, the
Psycho Drive, and he had lost the one man that could help him conquer the world, Ryu. However,
Bison would not let any setbacks stop his plan for world conquest. He decided to sponsor the
next Street Fighter tournament in hopes that Ryu would join the tournament, and that he could
capture him there.
...and thats pretty much where I stopped.
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/12/2001 11:02:08 AM
Gouken didn't teach Retsu.
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/12/2001 11:08:54 AM
.... and he wasn't thrown off a cliff.
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/12/2001 5:57:39 PM
Sakura
I've got to make a few corrections on that
Goutetsu invented the arts of Hado, Shoryu, Tatsumaki and Shungokusatsu. He didn't hide the
Shungokusatsu from Gouken or Gouki.
Sagat was never a Street Fighter champion. He defeated the former Muay Thai God Nua Kahn.
Gouken didn't find Ryu. Ryu was handed to Gouken by someone. (Most likely this is what the SF
Zero anime set its story on). Ken came to Gouken before he was a teen.
Gouken didn't teach Retsu. Restsu and Gouken were friends but they were not pupil and master.
Ken didn't enter the first street fighter tournament.
Ryu didn't beat Sagat fairly. Sagat actually had a BIG upper hand. When Ryu was about to faint,
Satsui no Hado awakened. Sagat was actually giving his hand out to help Ryu up because he was
confident he already won. Sagat was caught off guard with Satsui no Ryu's Metsu Shoryuken.
Neither Ryu or Ken saw Gouken battle Gouki. The only one is Gouken's daughter. Who disappeared
after that.
Juli and Juni aren't twins.
Sagat never joined Shadowloo. He's just using there advanced search methods to look for Ryu.
Only Nash was ordered to take down Vega. Guile was ordered to bring back Nash.
Ken was not brainwashed. Vega actually found Ryu beat him and brainwashed him. The "Satsui no
Hado" did not awaken inside Ryu yet.
Vega actually sent out invitations to the people that he wanted revenge against.
Other than that it sounds pretty good. I wish I had your writing skills.
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/12/2001 6:05:11 PM
You left out the part where Rad Spencer blows up Adolf Hitler's head. >:)
Saiki: Well, my email address is NeoRasa@aol.com, contact me and I'll give you my ICQ, AIM,
etc. and we can start planning it. :D
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"a huge ball of blue chi.......chi's fat and blue" ~Zyzyfer
From: Gouki of Borg | Posted: 7/12/2001 7:55:08 PM
Sakura's summary is a hard act to follow, but I'd love to undertake a story FAQ for SF. I've
spent the past year trying to piece together everything.....
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Gouki of Borg
Adapting since 1980
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 8:37:01 PM
Wow, 99 posts. I didn't expect this topic to be this popular.
Hey, Saiki, does Haggar have an official Japanese Stoyline? Does Ojousan?
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I eat paste.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 8:46:16 PM
Hey, I've been working on a Story for a possible SF4. Let me warn you though, my writing skills
SUCK. I never have been much of a writer. But nonetheless, here it is:
This particular tournement takes place about 10 years after SF3 Third Strike. Most of the
fighters in this tournemet, look much older than they used to, and some of the characters even
resemble their masters. This series is kind of like a reuinion, as some of the older characters
will return in it.
Necro - This Russian boy was once normal like everyone else, at least until Gill's henchmen got
a hold of him. He was brought to Gill's secret laboratories where he was poked and prodded
endlessly. Using Necro in a series of chemical genetic experiments, Gill hoped to unlock the
secrets of life. As a byproduct of these tests, Necro found that he was no longer human, but a
freak, able to stretch his limbs and generate electricity through concentration.
These results pleased Gill, and he looked forward to finding new uses for Necro in his
expanding realm of influence. Necro, on the other hand, was not pleased with his current form,
and longed for freedom. With Gill sponsoring the next Street Fighter tournament, Necro sees his
chance. Since Gill will fight anyone who can face him, Necro hopes to win back his freedom and
exact revenge for the horrible disfiguring experiments
Ryu - His influence on this storyline isn't too major. He is not a main character in this game,
but he still seeks revenge against Akuma. Ryu doesn't look exactly like he used to in this
game. He now has a beard, like his Master's. After Ken disappears in part 3, Ryu agrees to
train young Cody, and Sakura. Ryu is now 47 years old in this tourney.
Ken - He's just along for the ride. He's just looking for a fight, no real reason for being
here. In Ken's ending Akuma kills his Eliza as he begins his plan to kill Ryu. In the sequel,
Ken goes after Akuma to revenge Eliza. In the ending of the sequel, Ken fights Akuma in the
cave. The cave starts to coll apse, and Akuma escapes, while Ken doesn't and is thought to be
dead. In part three, Cody, Ken's kid, is trained under Ryu, and replaces Ken temporarily, in
his attempt to avenge is father's death. Then in part 4, the end of this series, Ken returns,
and him Ryu, Ojousan, Cody, and Gouken defeat Akuma once and for all ..... or do they? Ken is
46 in this tourney, and looks much like he did in Third Strike. Except now he looks a tad
older, and has started to grow a beard.
Guy - Everything seemed peaceful until Rolento showed up. Guy, now the master of Bushin, hears
that Rolento has joined the tourney in an attempt to rebuild his organization, and must deal
with him once again. Guy no longer looks like he used to. He now resembles Zeku, but with
shorter hair.
Cody - When he hears about Rolento, him and Guy team up once again, to stop him. He still looks
pretty much the same as he did in SFA3, but older, and in is FF threads.
Makoto - Makoto is the daughter of the owner of a respected dojo in Japan. The dojo has lost
face, and Makoto plans on bringing back her dojo's former pride and honor. Practicing a
different discipline of karate than Ryu and filled with a serious fighting spirit, Makoto is
willing to go up against much older and more-experienced fighters in the new Street Fighter
tournament to accomplish her goal. She is no longer little like she used to be. She's now in
her 20's, and has longer hair, and looks more mature.
Balrog (Vega in U.S.) - with Vega gone Balrog now sees the opportunity to rebuild the Shadaloo
organization. So far it is only him and M.Bison. He still has his claw, but he now has
different voice effects and is older.
M.Bison (Balrog in U.S.) - He's with Vega. He has joined this tourney to recruit new talent,
for the reconstruction of Shadaloo.
Yun - He's just in for the competition, and to stop Gill. Until his ending, when he joins
Shadaloo. In the Sequel he is in with Balrog, and M.Bison, in their attempt to recruit more
members for the Shadaloo organization.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 8:52:02 PM
Yang - While his brother joined, he didn't. When Yang hears about his brother entering the SF4
tourney, he decides to follow him once again.
Rolento - When he hears of the Tourney, Rolento, like Balrog, decides to make an attempt at
rebuilding his organization.
Sakura - Knowing Ryu will be in the Street Fighter tournament (she is his number one fan!),
Sakura joins the fray to meet him once again, hoping he will be her master and train her. When
she finally does meet him, he defeats young Sakura, withholding his true might, and explains
that he cannot train her because he is still learning himself. Ryu feels awkward, yet amazed,
that the young girl before him has learned so much in so short a time without help and is
tempted to guide her dangerous "hobby" to a more spiritual end. In part three of this series,
Ryu finally agrees to train her along with the Cody, the son of Ken. Sakura no longer looks
like she used to. She now looks older, and has shoulder length hair. Her headband no longer has
the flaps on it either. To make it simple, she looks sort of like a grown up Yuri (From Capcom
vs SNK). Her moves are still the same, and still need work. In part four, the end of the
series, her moves finally show some improvement because of the help of Ryu.
Chun Li - She hears about Balrog, and M.Bison, and once again is left dealing with Shadaloo.
Chun Li, in this game, looks like a slightly older version of her Alpha self. She is now 43.
Ibuki - Now that her Ninja training is complete, she is now living her life as a normal girl.
Until she hears that a rumor of Geki being in the Next tournement. She joins the SF4 tourney,
in search of Geki. In her ending, she finds him and discovers that he is her father. Geki
becomes playable in the sequel. Ibuki no longer looks like she used to. She is now all grown up
wears the same outfit as Geki, reavealing only her arms and eyes. The outfit isn't purple
though, it is the color of her SF3 one.
Urien - Being the brother of the self-proclaimed deity Gill can be tough, just ask Urien.
Having lived in his sibling's shadow for his entire life, Urien now seeks to challenge his
brother and gain control of his destiny as well as his family's. He shares many similarities to
Gill, from his basic fighting style to his somewhat strange appearance. Urien has changed
drastically in this game. He no longer fights in his thong, but instead, in a black suit. He no
longer plays exactly like he used to either. He now plays like a combination of his old self,
and Yamazaki. In his ending, when he deafeats Gill, he becomes the "lone wolf" of SF4.
Remy - Remy is a man with a dark side to his personality. With his heart screaming for revenge
and blood, a trail of those who have crossed him lie murdered in his wake. Exactly who Remy is
after remains to be seen, but odds are it's the tournament boss Gill. Remy's fighting style
resembles that of Guile and Charlie, in that he uses sonic boom-like projectiles, which he can
throw high or low, though he is slightly slower than the two commandos.
Sagat - Now that he's done with Shadaloo, he can get back to his search for Ryu. When Sagat
enters the tournement however, he is comfronted by his two former allies, Balrog, and M.Bison.
Will he join them?
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 8:53:29 PM
Sean - Learning that Ken will be fighting in the latest Street Fighter tournament, Sean joins
in hopes of teaming up with him. Ken agreed to instruct Sean, and managed to teach him some
techniques that will help him survive the rigorous fighting yet to come. Most of Sean's
techniques are halfhearted versions of Ken's techniques, including the super art, Shoryureppa,
or violent dragon punch. He can't even use projectile attacks unless his chi is fully maxed.
Still, his agile attacks can overcome most fighters, and Sean has even thrown in some
additional techniques he learned on the streets in Brazil. During Sean's training, Ken
introduced Sean to Ryu, and had the two fight as a test of Sean's skill. Ryu won without
breaking a sweat. From this beating, Sean gained a greater respect for the art of Shotokan and
vowed to master it like Ken and Ryu.
Alex - This young son of a military father is the new hero of the Street Fighter series,
starting in Street Fighter III. Raised in New York, NY, by his father's best friend, Tom, Alex
has grown streetwise and tough. Having an ex-wrestler for a guardian helped quite a bit too!
Alex has great respect for Tom, and learned every technique he knows from him. Despite his
arrogant pride and strength, Alex has no direction in his life other than fighting in the
streets of New York. When Tom was seriously wounded in battle by a mysterious figure, Alex
vowed to find this man and defeat him in hand-to-hand combat. He later learned that Gill was
the man who put Tom in critical condition, and that to reach him, he'd have to go through six
World Warriors as hardy as he. After months of hard training, Alex set off in search of his
first opponent on his way to revenge. Alex will be a true contender in this new generation of
fighters; he has great strength, endurance, and moderate agility to back these up. One slap
from him is enough to twist even the roughest fighters around, stunned. He is a master of
aerial slams and knows when to strike. From a distance, Alex is not much of a threat, but it
doesn't take long for him to move in for the power attacks he's renowned for.
Tom - He's finally recovered and is back both to test the skills of Alex, and to get his
revenge against Gill. He basically plays like a slower Alex, with more grappling moves. He is
four years older than Ryu.
Haggar - His daughter is still missing, and He wants to know who's behind it. He'll will fight
whoever he has to, to get the answers he is looking for.
Hugo - The mop-haired German giant known as Hugo was previously employed in the Mad Gear gang,
based in Metro City (from Capcom's game Final Fight). Hugo's manager Poison manages to get the
hulking brute a break in professional wrestling, after Hugo is thrashed along with the rest of
the Mad Gear gang by Metro City mayor Mike Haggar and his allies Guy and Cody. After a speedy
ascent to the top of the heap, Hugo learns of a new Street Fighter tournament and signs up to
prove his mettle to the world.
Ojousan - The daughter of Gouken is back, for revenge against both her and her father's murder
attempts by akuma. When she enters this tournement she runs into Ryu, whom she finds out was a
pupil of Gouken. Her storyline will get tied in with Ryu's more as the series continues. She is
about Ryu's age.
Akuma - Akuma has joined this tourney and plans to kill Ryu. As the first part of his plan, he
kills Eliza, to bait Ken in for his doom. When Ken goes after him, the two fight inside Akuma's
cave. The cave begins to collapse, and Akuma disappears leaving Ken trapped inside the cave.
Now that Akuma, and Ryu think that Ken has been killed, Ryu searches for Akuma to revenge the
deaths of Gouken, and Ken.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 8:54:00 PM
Gill - This new boss of the Fourth Street Fighter Tournament is rather mysterious, though it is
known he commands much influence and power in the world. He claims to be a god of sorts, and
while his display of pyrotechnics is impressive, few will stand as witnesses to his boast. By
defeating the world's best warriors in hand-to-hand combat, Gill wants to show the world his
"godly" power and abilities. Gill is the deadliest and arguably the least fair final boss to
ever enter the Street Fighter tournament. His superart, Resurrection, easily takes a losing
match and turns the tables. A victorious World Warrior is one who doesn't let Gill charge his
Resurrection ability or let him use it to its full extent. He looks pretty much the same as he
did in third strike, but bald.
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I eat paste.
From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/12/2001 9:16:56 PM
Saiki- Not that I don't believe you, but where did you hear of the things you listed?
Goutetsu invented the arts of Hado, Shoryu, Tatsumaki and Shungokusatsu. He didn't hide the
Shungokusatsu from Gouken or Gouki.
This for one. I don't recall any mention that Goutetsu was the one who created the art. As for
the hiding of the move, I could have sword I read this from something official, but I could be
mistaken.
Sagat was never a Street Fighter champion. He defeated the former Muay Thai God Nua Kahn.
Never heard of this either. Also why would he not be the champion, I mean he was the last guy
you fought in SF1, so I would assume he was the champion...
Gouken didn't find Ryu. Ryu was handed to Gouken by someone. (Most likely this is what the SF
Zero anime set its story on).
I'm pretty sure he did. Most things I've read about Ryu was the he was an orphan, and that he
found Ryu on the streets. Besides I wouldn't really use the Zero/Alpha anime as reference...
Ken came to Gouken before he was a teen.
I can agree with this.
Gouken didn't teach Retsu. Restsu and Gouken were friends but they were not pupil and master.
First time I heard about this too. Where did you hear this from?
Ken didn't enter the first street fighter tournament.
Err, then what was he doing in the first game...
Ryu didn't beat Sagat fairly. Sagat actually had a BIG upper hand. When Ryu was about to faint,
Satsui no Hado awakened. Sagat was actually giving his hand out to help Ryu up because he was
confident he already won. Sagat was caught off guard with Satsui no Ryu's Metsu Shoryuken.
This I never heard of either...
Neither Ryu or Ken saw Gouken battle Gouki. The only one is Gouken's daughter. Who disappeared
after that.
He has a daughter? Geez, first time I heard of that...
Juli and Juni aren't twins.
Yeah, I told you this thing was old...
Sagat never joined Shadowloo. He's just using there advanced search methods to look for Ryu.
Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure that is correct. I could have sword I heard it in one
of the games.
Only Nash was ordered to take down Vega. Guile was ordered to bring back Nash.
Not sure about this. I remember the SF2 stories saying that the two were kidnapped, and only
Guile was the one who escaped...
Ken was not brainwashed. Vega actually found Ryu beat him and brainwashed him. The "Satsui no
Hado" did not awaken inside Ryu yet.
Vega actually sent out invitations to the people that he wanted revenge against.
Both of these I haven't heard of either. Like I said above, its not that I don't believe you,
its just that I would like to know where you heard some of this, so I could check and maybe
update this story...
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/12/2001 9:35:12 PM
Alot of the info I have comes from various magazines and street fighter guide books that Capcom
released. Some of my info comes from "All About" series. Some of my info comes from people that
work for Capcom.
Alot of the info you had came from Capcom USA, and they pretty much change the story around
alot from what its suppossed to be.
"This for one. I don't recall any mention that Goutetsu was the one who created the art. As for
the hiding of the move, I could have sword I read this from something official, but I could be
mistaken."
Capcom USA changing stories.
"Never heard of this either. Also why would he not be the champion, I mean he was the last guy
you fought in SF1, so I would assume he was the champion..."
That was the first tournament Sagat hosted. Sagat was known as the Muay Thai champion/God/Ruler,
etc etc.
"Most things I've read about Ryu was the he was an orphan, and that he found Ryu on the
streets. Besides I wouldn't really use the Zero/Alpha anime as reference..."
Ryu was handed to Gouken. The anime used that as a reference for their story.
"First time I heard about this too. Where did you hear this from?"
Capcom Japan has pretty much stated this in multiple sources. It's Capcom USA that screwed the
story and made Retsu Gouken's student.
"Err, then what was he doing in the first game..."
It's called Capcom being stupid and not realizing that they changed the story even though Ken
is in SF1.
"This I never heard of either..."
It's in multiple sources again. It's also hinted in Evil Ryu's Zero3 ending
"Not sure about this. I remember the SF2 stories saying that the two were kidnapped, and only
Guile was the one who escaped..."
Capcom changed the story around in the Zero series. The SF2 story is void.
"Both of these I haven't heard of either"
This one, I was told by one of my Capcom working friends that it was suppossed to be put into
the story but they didn't due to various reasons.
It's really REALLY REALLY hard to follow the story of street fighter. Especially in the US
because of Capcom USA twisting the story around during translation and stuff. And also the fact
that Capcom Japan themselves always change the story around too.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 9:52:20 PM
"Like I said above, its not that I don't believe you, its just that I would like to know where
you heard some of this, so I could check and maybe update this story..."
Ummm... Sakura, if there was a place you could check, then I wouldn't have created this topic
in the first place.
If you believe him, why do you want to check?
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I eat paste.
From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/12/2001 9:55:45 PM
Becasue things like Gouken having a daughter is totally new to me, and I would like to get a
copy of the information, or know where this information came from. Besides I would like to see
this daughter myself.
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:02:37 PM
That's why this topic was created. If you read the earlier posts, Saiki already told us that
there is nowhere to find the Japanese storylines.
I picture his daughter looking kinda like, 'Purna. But that's just me. I don't think she's been
officially drawn yet.
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I eat paste.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:19:03 PM
With Gouken's daughter, there's 2 version of her.
Version 1
Imagaine Yuri. Her hair is like Mai's. Give her a yellow gi. Give her an elbow pad. Curl the
pants up to her knee's.
Version 2
Imagine Vice. Change her hair to Black/Blue. Give her a white gi. Curl her pants to her knee's.
Give her the same beads Gouki has.
I think it's literally impossible to get pictures of Gouken's daughter. She never made it past
the story, and sketches. Version 1 was shown in a book that Capcom released called "Official
Street Fighter 2 fan book"
Version 2 I got from my friend working for Capcom.
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:24:47 PM
I like version 1 better. How old is she supposed to be?
If you have a pic of her, could u scan 1 in?
You know someone that works for Capcom?
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I eat paste.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/12/2001 10:34:08 PM
Her age isn't said. I'm assuming she's a couple of years younger than Ryu and Ken but I could
be wrong. I'll scan it in if my friend would lend me his scanner. My friend who has the scanner
lives on the other side of the city. I'm too lazy to go to his house to just scan. I might
eventually though.
Yeah, I know one guy working for Capcom.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/13/2001 6:54:02 AM
"The SF2 story is void."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! THANKS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
MUCH SAIKI-SAMA; I knew there was a reason why the SF Stories conflicted!
So, Capcom spent 10 years of our lives trying to secretly set straight their poor translation
error on the original Street Fighter Storyline...hmmmmm...SO THAT"S WHY WE CALL IT STREET
FIGHTER 2 : THE WORLD WARRIOR!
IT NEVER HAPPENED!!! YEEEESSS!!!
Saiki-Sama: Does Street Fighter Alpha 3 go into SUPER STREET FIGHTER 2 X/TURBO?
If so, that clears up A LOT of agonizing confusion for us SF players!
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: middleman | Posted: 7/13/2001 2:29:15 PM
hey saiki,
is sakura ganbaru really official? i think the ending had sakura teaching gym class.
what is the story between makoto and ibuki, they have a special intro right?
and was there any official material released regarding the other sf2/zero fighters during the
sf3 storyline, like what happened to them?
i definitely respect your research on sf storylines since you're the only one i've seen who has
managed to string together the events between games...
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/13/2001 6:00:03 PM
True Warrior
Your welcome man. I've always wanted people to know the real story to street fighter. Now I've
finally had my chance. Anyways, SFZ3 takes 3 years before SSF2X
middleman
Sakura Ganbaru isn't official. Capcom took alot of ideas from that manga but the manga itself
is not official.
Makoto and Ibuki really don't have any story between them. I think Capcom made that intro
because they're both young Japanese girls. I guess that'd make them rivals. As for the Zero
fighters during the SF3 period, Capcom hasn't released much about what happenned to them after.
I do know that Sagat is waiting for Ryu to come to him so they can have there final battle to
the death. The rest I have no clue. Nothings been given out.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/14/2001 9:37:32 AM
Do you know about how old Goutsetsu is?
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/14/2001 10:55:27 AM
Um...Shinku, Goutetsu's been dead for a LONG time, so I doubt it would matter if you knew his
age.
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/14/2001 11:03:23 AM
Just curious.
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/14/2001 11:20:50 AM
Ummm..... Goutetsu....hmmmmm..... he's.... old
I have no clue. Capcom hasn't released much info on Goutetsu.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/14/2001 11:24:59 AM
That's good. I hope they keep him kinda mysterious.
Are there any characters in Japanese SF games, that don't appear in the US??
I've probably got a few more questions, but I can't think of them right now.
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Look into your soul in order to find the way.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/15/2001 12:51:47 PM
What do you mean? Do you mean in the actual game or just in the storyline. All characters that
appeared in the game in Japan have all appeared in the US as well. Story-wise, there are a
bunch of characters that were never mentioned in the US. Goukens daughter being one, the 12
elite shadowloo dolls, the two other people that trained with Vega, Vega' master. I cant think
of anymore right now but there are a lot more that were never mentioned.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/15/2001 8:02:33 PM
Yeah, I meant storyline wise.
You're probably right, about Gill and Urien training with Vega. Has the name of Vega's master
been realesed?
12 elite dolls!? Do you know anything about them??
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From: Sakura Kasugano | Posted: 7/15/2001 8:35:00 PM
The 12 dolls are the ones you see whenever you have to fight Juni and Juli togheter. From what
I've heard, all 12 of them were kidnapped from various parts of the world and trained to be the
dolls. Each have names corresponding to the months. There is a picture at the site below.
http://www.cammyfan.com/Cammy-info/shadowloo-bio/cammyclones.gif
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Kochirakoso wa, yoroshiku onegaishimasu!
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/15/2001 8:44:20 PM
Hmmm...
I wonder why March, June, and July are all from Germany?
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/15/2001 10:46:45 PM
No, Vega's masters name san't been released. Most likely, never will. I'm guessing Capcom even
forgot that they mentioned this master.
And about the 12 dolls, not much info is given. Each one comes from various parts of the world.
Enero (Spain) - January
Fevrier (France) - February
Marz (Germany) - March
Aprile (Italy) - April
Satsuki (Japan) - May
Juni (Germany) - June
Juli (Germany) - July
Santum (Vietnam) - August
Xiayu (China) - September
Yanyu (China) - October
Noembelu (Latin) - November
Decapre (Russia) - December
Noembelu is supposed to be who T Hawk was looking for. Aprile has a brother thats searching for
her and has talked to Rose about her whereabouts. Not much else is given about these girls.
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/15/2001 11:15:42 PM
Doesn't M. Bison like own Thailand in SF2 series? Couldn't he just hire help instead of having
random girls kidnapped? O_o;
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"a huge ball of blue chi.......chi's fat and blue" ~Zyzyfer
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/15/2001 11:19:20 PM
I think Vega is a "Lolicon".
If anyone doesn't understand what that means, don't ask.
Oh yeah, all 13 dolls including Cammy are all 16.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/16/2001 11:32:04 AM
Okay Saiki-Sama, here are my questions; I feel these are what people may want to ask but forget
about them or think that they don't make sense.
1. Beginning with the original Street Fighter, WHY did Eagle, Joe, Mike, Geki, Retsu, Lee, Gen
and Birdie get involved with the tournament?
2. What were their motives?
3. After Ryu defeated Sagat, did he return to Japan to meet Gouki/Akuma for the first time? Or
did he already know about Gouken's death and wander the world searching for strong fighters?
4. Did Ryu, Ken, Retsu or Dan know about Gouken's daughter before the Street Fighter tournament
begin?
5. Did Dan leave before the Street Fighter tournament began?
6. After Sagat was defeated, did he search for Vega (M.Bison) to seek revenge on Ryu or did
Vega find him and offer him a position as a right-hand?
7. Am I correct in assuming that Street Fighter Zero/Alpha began after Street Fighter?
8. Was Street Fighter Zero a tournament or just the story of people searching for Vega/M.Bison
through fighting everyone involved?
9. Who is Rose and who taught her about "Soul Power"?
10. How did Guy and Sodom learn about Vega's Criminal Operations?
11. What happened to the original Street Fighters?
12. How did Gen learn of Gouki/Akuma and why did he want to kill him?
13. Is Street Fighter Zero Chun-li's first OFFICIAL appearance; and if it is, where did the
information about Vega killing her father come from?
14. Did Gouki show himself to Vega before Super Street Fighter 2 X, or did Vega know about
"Evil Intent" before the Street Fighter tournament? (I'll bring this up again in another
question too!)
I have more...
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/16/2001 11:49:21 AM
Cont.
15. Did Adon seek revenge on Ryu as well as Sagat?
16. How did Adon learn of Gouki and his power?
17. What's the deal with Blanka?
18. How did Dhalsim know about Vega's power and why did he seek to destroy it?
19. Did Rainbow Mika meet Zangief before Super Street Fighter 2 X?
20. What exactly happened between Karin and Sakura?
21. What happened to Karin, Sakura, Rainbow Mika, and Cody after Vega was defeated?
22. Did Sodom fulfill his goal of recreating a new Mad Gear?
23. Is Rose still alive? Why did Guy save her?
24. WHO EXACTLY DEFEATED VEGA: Ryu or Gouki? And how did he return after the incedents in Zero?
25. Did Guile ever get revenge on Vega for Charlie's death? Did Chun-li ever avenge her father?
That's enough for now...
Saiki-Sama: I hope you can answer these mind-boggling questions for us, cuz', (for me anyway)
they are the haze that blankets the true epic of the Street Fighter Story. If you can't answer
these, that's okay cuz' their not REALLY important to be answered, but it would be nice just to
know what was truth and what was fiction...
THANKS SAIKI, YOU'RE DA' MAN!!!
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/16/2001 2:31:30 PM
Wow, lots of questions. I'll answer them best I can
1 and 2) Eagle - he entered because he was hired by someone to enter the tournament and defeat
Sagat
Joe - To test his skills
Mike - Got kicked out of boxing because he killed someone. Now he just enters to make money for
a living
Geki - Dunno
Retsu - A fallen monk who practices forbidden techniques of Sholinji kenpo. He enters to fight
strong opponents
Lee - to test his skills
Birdie - he got too bored of wrestling so he became a bouncer and looks for strong opponents
3) Ryu returned to where he was taught by Gouken hoping his master would know what happenned to
him when he defeated Sagat. When he went back, blood was all over the place and Gouken and his
daughter were gone
4) Only Ryu and Ken know Goukens daughter for sure. I dunno about Retsu, Capcom said Retsu and
Gouken were long time friends so most likely Retsu knows her too
5) Yes
6) Vega found Sagat
7) Yes, SFZero2 and Zero3 take place after SF1.
8) None of the Zero games were tourneys.
9) Rose was Vega's former student. Soul Power is the same thing as Pycho Power. The only
difference is that Soul Power is power by the actual users Soul whereas Pycho Power gathers its
power from hate, vengeance, etc, etc. Any negative emotions power Pycho power
10) Guy was told about Shadowloo by Zekuu. Sodom just knew most likely because he was in Mad
Gear
11) Geki - it's said that he went back into training
Joe - dunno, probably became an average Jo
Mike - he turned into Mike Bison
Retsu - he went into hiding to further improve his skills
Eagle - went back to being a bouncer for hire
The rest have all appeared
12) Gouki was the one that attacked Gen. Gouki actually backed off when he learned that Gen
could resist the Shungokusatsu
13) To be precise, its ZERO2. Zero2 is the remake for Zero1. Vega says himself in the ending of
Zero2.
14) Vega knew about the Evil Intent before SSF2X.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/16/2001 2:40:16 PM
15) Nope. He totally over looks that fact that he too was defeated by Ryu but curses Sagat for
losing to Ryu
16) Refer to Zero2 Adon ending
17) He was flying to Brazil to meet his uncle in Brazil. Shadowloo dropped the place. Blanka
was the only survivor. From here on it's the usual story
18) He's a Yoga master. He senses evil
19) Yes
20) Karin was a rich girl who was taught Kanzaki-ryuu kakutoujutsu. She went around thinking
she was the strongest high school girl. When she heard about Sakura, she challenged her. When
she did, she got beat by Sakura with ease. Now she goes around thinking she and Sakura are
eternal rivals
21) Karin - trains so that one day she can defeat Sakura
Sakura - went off to train around the world
R Minka - wrestling
Cody - he's still running around doing useless things
22) Nope
23) Rose is most likely dead. Capcom hasn't stated if she is or not. Guy saved her because him
and Rose have crossed paths before. And because both of their goals were the same
24) Gouki defeated Vega with the Shungokusatsu. He was able to come back because he switched
to his newer body
25) In some ways yes, in some ways no. Guile and Chunli were the key people that finally put an
end to Shadowloo so in that sense, they both avenged their deaths.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/16/2001 2:41:51 PM
How is Gen able to resist the Shungokusatsu?
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/16/2001 4:16:43 PM
Thanks again Saiki-Sama!
I'm with Shinku on that one; how can Gen survive the most powerful move of Anasatsu-ken...
hmmmm...WAIT A MINUTE!!!!
GEN IS A MASTER OF TWO DIFFERENT STYLES ANASATSU-KEN!!! So, technically, he could survive any
attack from Akuma (and vice-versa EXCEPT his Den-Mak (I know I speelled it wrong, but you know;
the patented "Touch of Death").
Okay, now that part makes sense, but I have some questions regarding Street Fighter Zero and
Zero 2:
*I'm looking at all of the endings that are in the Official Strategy Guides*
1. How many times did Ryu defeat Sagat?
2. How long after Street Fighter did Zero begin?
3. When did Ryu travel to the mysterious island to face Gouki?
4. Did Zero actually happen or is Zero 2 meant to cover up another mistake by Capcom?
5. WHEN DID RYU GET HIS RED HEADBAND?
6. Did Adon defeat Sagat before he learned of Gouki?
That's all, thanks again! :)
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:04:51 PM
Gen can survive the shungokusatsu because he clears his mind and soul of all emotions and
thought while Gouki is performing the shungokusatsu on him.
1) Once
2) 1 year
3) after returning to his masters dojo, he sensed Gouki's ki and went to Gouketsutou.
4) Zero didn't happen. Zero2 is the real one
5) he was suppossed to have it in Zero3 but Capcom got lazy
6) Yes, Adon defeated Sagat. Adon was able to because Sagat was to engulfed in rage and
couldn't fight at his full potential.
From: Haruo | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:17:07 PM
Saiki, sorry, but as an SF fan I just have to ask this: Did Capcom ever mention the possibility
of Ryu and Chun Li hooking up in the future? Thanks in advance.
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:26:06 PM
No, Ryu and Chunli will never hook up. Chunli will probably stay single for the whole time.
Same with Ryu.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:40:35 PM
If both Adon and Dan defeated Sagat, why didn't he vow revenge against them as well? Or, on the
other hand, why didn't he just drop his vendetta against Ryu?
Is that Adon who sometimes appears in Elena's SF3: New Generation (not Second Impact)
background? Likewise, is Geki Ibuki's father, and is he that tall guy with the glasses in her
Next Generation background? And, while I'm at it, is Bison/Vega Alex's father, and does he walk
by in a suit and with a briefcase in Alex's NG background?
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:45:30 PM
Sagat doesn't care about Adon because Adon beat him when he was confused and wasn't able to
fight with his full strength. And Sagat let Dan win because he saw that Dan would be corrupted
if he didn't. Sagat hated Ryu because Ryu beat him with a cheap shot and left a scar
No, that's Capcom playing one of there games against SNK. It's supposed to be a Joe Higashi
look-a-like. No, Geki is not Ibuki's dad. None of the ninja's that appear in Ibuki's stage is
Geki. They all have names. I've yet to see a Vega look-a-like walk in Alex's BG. But no, Vega
is dead in SFIII anyways.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:51:22 PM
Haruo, If Ryu was going to hook up with anyone, it would probably be Gouken's daughter. That's
the only one that would really make sense, unless Capcom put him with Sakura. Hooking Ryu up
with the Daughter of Gouken, would greatly improve the SF storyline.
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From: Haruo | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:56:17 PM
Yeah, I guess. But that frickin' US Street Fighter comic just influenced/traumatized me beyond
words...
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"What strength!! But don't forget there are many guys like you all over the world"
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/16/2001 5:59:47 PM
I liked the way they scalped Ken and poisoned Ryu and Ken's master Sheng Long. Too bad the
people couldn't continue the comic long enough for old Sheng to recover.
Anyone like the Cammy manga? My favorite part is the dudes complaining they're not trained to
fight supernatural beings (i.e. Bison).
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: Haruo | Posted: 7/16/2001 6:02:02 PM
HaHa! Yeah, I love the way Bison just "flies away" using Psycho Crusher!
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From: MLai | Posted: 7/16/2001 6:38:41 PM
If only... if only Viz can bring to the US the Sakura and the Ryu mangas as well. That artist
really knew how to draw fights! Better than any fighting comic/manga I've ever read. She
inspired me (I think the author is a she).
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/16/2001 7:16:58 PM
Okay Saiki, here are some more questions that I have:)
1. Did Gen die after Zero 3 (In his story it said that he was ill so...)
2. How long does Street Fighter 3 take place after Super Street Fighter X?
3. Are Yun and Yang the grandsons of Gen? (I REALLY need to know this one because I get pissed
when people say that they are; that is if they aren't his grandsons)
4. Who are the ninja's in Ibuki's background in Street Fighter 3 New Generation and who is that
girl she spars with in one of her intros?
5. What's her raccoon's name? >:)
6. WHY DID 32 PEOPLE FIGHT EACH OTHER JUST TO SEE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PERSONAL
PROBLEMS GET DEFEATED BY A YOUNG MAN NAMED RYU?
IT MAKES NO SENSE I TELL YOU!!! NO SENSE!!!
Why did all of those people want to stop Vega if Ryu was the one to defeat him and not they
themselves?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/16/2001 7:33:56 PM
1) Capcom has never said who was the victor between the battle between Gen and Gouki. But
seeing as how Gouki is still in SFIII, most likeyl Gen was killed by Gouki
2) 4 years
3) No, Yun and Yang have no relation to Gen. Lee is Yun and Yangs father.
4) Enjou - the one that actually looks like ninja
Genda - the small dinky guy thats bald
Sanjou - the one with the weird cap
Raion - The big guy with beads
Homura Yuuta - that girl is actually a guy
5) ? I have no clue
6) Huh? which game are u talking about Zero3?
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/16/2001 8:31:03 PM
So Lee is not Gen's son?
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I'm not kidding. He really is. I've seen the bloodstains.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/17/2001 6:31:55 AM
Sorry about that 6th question Saiki-sama; it all makes sense to me now! :)
But I have 4 more questions:
1. What's the story on Balrog (Vega in USA)? Who is he and how did Vega find him?
2. Why did Deejay fight in BOTH Zero 3 and Super Street Fighter 2 X if all he wanted was an
international music gig?
3. Did Vega re-create Shadoloo after Guile and Chun-li destroyed it in Zero 3? And if he did,
WHY did Balrog, M.Bison, and Sagat join him again?
4. Could you elaborate a little more on your response to my question about Chun-li's firt
official appearance in Street Fighter and her ending in Zero 2; I'm confused on that one...
ETERNAL THANKS MY FRIEND!!!
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From: SoCKS | Posted: 7/17/2001 9:04:35 AM
Howdy! I had a question about Street Fighter, actually two.
1) Why is Elena in the tourny? (SFIII)
2) Who is that weirdo girl who (I guess) sings with Necro?
Thanks in advance! This thread is amazing!
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From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/17/2001 9:38:58
AM (Wow, almost 150 posts) (poor Saiki)
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/17/2001 10:09:09 AM
(I can get this one Saiki-sama...:)
SoCKs:
1. Elena fights to, well, make friends through her travels around the world. If you see her
ending in SF3 that'll kinda' explain it a bit more.
2. That girl is Illia (I think); she helped Necro escape from Gill's lab after he was
"created".
Hope that helps!
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From: SoCKS | Posted: 7/17/2001 10:13:07 AM
Thanks! I know Elena's ending, but the reason I was asking is that it's kinda illogical to be
best friends with someone you just beat the crap out of, but then again, lots of Street Fighter
stuff is a little illogical, so it's all good! Thanks again! Oh, and by the way, one more
question. I haven't played any version of SF2 in a while, and I'm wondering if Fei Long dies?
Someone told me he does, but I don't remember him dying. Could someone confirm if he dies or
not please?
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/17/2001 12:45:24 PM
Um, whoever told you that must have been into so serious herbs man...WHO would even think about
KILLING Fei-Long?
But to answer your question: No! There is no record of Fei-Long getting killed by anyone in
Street Fighter.
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From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/17/2001 12:46:59 PM
Ahhhhhh
At Last
A True "Story" Fan
Saiki you're good, I've read your posts and I gotta agree on all of them. I wish I had bought
one "All About SF" book back many years ago, but I missed the chance, maybe I'll find it in the
Kinokuniya Bookstore Computer Records eh..
Oh just one part of the story I'd like to expand on.
It's about Go Hibiki and Sagat's Fight
Actually, Sagat was already Partially Blind in his right eye, Go Hibiki used that to his
advantage by staying at Sagat's Blind spot, because Go wasn't strong enough to go against him
"Honorably". Which InFRURIATED Sagat. And when Go Hibiki attacked Sagat, yep, he actually did
hit his Right eye (by accident or not I don't know" and Officially Fully blinded it. Well..Hell
Hath No Fury Like a Sagat Officially Blinded...and you know the rest...
I can't remember where I read this but when I read it it felt official (As in it was not a
fanfic but a Plug Short Storyline concerning Dan and Sagat's Relations. Well actually come to
think of it I read almost immediately after SFZero was released so there couldn't have been any
fanfics around yet)
Please Continue on this Noble Quest Saiki
I'll be around to cheer you on.
p.s. I know you're catering for the U.S. crowd, but it's be so nice if you changed the
characters back to their original names eg Akuma to Gouki (Goutetsu Gouken Gouki just rolls off
the tongue nicer) M.Bison back to Vega...you know what I mean...This way...Vega Urien and Gill
will make a nicer sounding 3 Disciples in Training theory wouldn't it?
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/17/2001 1:50:03 PM
Hey RoKiSePh, I support Saiki-sama too! Even though it may seem like I using him, on the
contrary; I'm not!
I'm ETERNALLY grateful to EVERYTHING he's helped me on, and I'm pretty sure he can understand
why there are sooooooo many questions regarding his thread.
He even stated himself that he wants everyone to know the truth about Street Fighter; you
should understand that the truth is both painful and hard to accpet and understand.
Saiki: I'm sorry if I'm pushing you too much, but there's just so much that still needs to be
answered so gamers around the world will not make the mistake of casting off what would be
their favorite Street Fighter just because their confused about who they really are.
I don't now how many times I've thanked you for everything you done for not only me, but for
everyone else too...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK CUZ' I'M BEHIND YOU AS WELL!!!
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From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/17/2001 1:56:42 PM
Which Eye Did Sagat lose?
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/17/2001 2:03:24 PM
Sagat lost his right eye...and to add a little more:
When Sagat was young he got into a bad fight and the result was his right eye being partially
blind, but later on, thanks to Go Hibiki, he lost his eye completely. (It's still there, but
the iris has no color to it.)
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From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/17/2001 2:29:48 PM
Who was the guy that injured Sagat's eye?
Did Sagat have a teacher?
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/17/2001 3:57:59 PM
I think in Alpha 3, Dee Jay was trying to get into the music business. In Super Turbo, he was
already in the business, but was trying to come up with a new style of music to become more
famous.
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/17/2001 4:01:56 PM
Well, Capcom never gave out much info as to who was involved...kinda' like a "This is how he
got that" type thing where they just tell what needs to be told without give much away.
As for Sagat's teacher, I've never come across the name of his teacher, though all I do know is
that Sagat started out as a peaceful, yet shy boy who was often shunned by others because of
his height. Finally, the neighborhood bully's decided to take advantage of his shyness and
attacked him. Sagat barely survived the fight, but his right eye was badly damaged and he could
barely see out of it. After the fight, Sagat took up Muay Thai to protect himself and earn
respect the only way he knew how; though his fists. Over tim, Sagat became so good at fighting
that he became known as the "Emporer of Muay Thai" by winning prize fights and other
tournaments. Eventually, he resputation became so great that many wanted train under him.
However, Sagat had taken in a young man who idolized him as the greatest warrior in the
world...that young man was Adon. Adon shared many techniques with Sagat but chose a different
animal other that Sagat's signature Tiger; he chose the Jaguar. Later, Sagat would fight a
mysterious man named Go Hibiki for another title, but that proved to be a great blow to him
mind: Go permanently blinded Sagat's right eye during the fight...but it cost him his life and
that's what caused Sagat to turn into a vain, heartless warrior who sought only gloy through
pain and mercilessness...like he was treated when he was young.
Eventually, Sagat's ego got the best of him and he created the Street Fighter tournament...
The rest is history...
Oh yeah, don't quote me on this cuz' I just read this from some Official Capcom guidebook!
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From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/17/2001 4:25:17 PM
In Super Turbo, he was already in the business, but was trying to come up with a new style of
music to become more famous.
Someone should have told him that reggae's already been around for a while...:D
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/17/2001 6:32:48 PM
1) Balrog was born in a noble family. His mother is also from a noble family but her side of
the family went under(everyone in this family was beautiful). She was picked up by an ugly
nobleman. They got married and had Balrog. Balrog's mom always hated her husband because he was
ugly. One day, he killed his wife secretly. This is what made Balrog snap and turned him into a
pychotic killer. The tatoo on his body represents his mothers side of the family. In the
public, he was just a honorable nobleman. But in the shadows, he went around killing ugly
street beggers for fun. This is what made Vega like him and recruited him into Shadowloo.
2) DeeJay wanted to become cool. I think this is the only guy in SF who isn't connected to
anyone else in any shape or form at all.
3) Yup, he re-created it. Balrog and Bison never really left Shadowloo. Sagat never joined back
again.
4) Chunli first appeared in Zero2. She was a cop who was looking for her father. Her father
disappeared without a trace. Her only lead was Gen. Gen and Chunli's father were actually
friends (this is why Chunli has one of Gen's moves). She was told by Gen to find Vega. When she
found Vega, she got the crap beat out of her. Vega then flew away telling her the next time
they meet, he'll end it quick like her father.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/17/2001 6:35:16 PM
RoKiSePh and True Warrior pretty much explained Sagat's story. Only got one thing to add.
Sagat became the "Muay Thai God" when he defeated the previous "Muay Thai God", Nuah Kahn.
Sagat defeated Nuah Kahn when he was only a teen.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/17/2001 6:36:39 PM
BTW, Neo.
Sorry I haven't been on ICQ for a while. I just don't have time. I'm too busy writing the FAQ,
working and playing DDR.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/17/2001 7:31:47 PM
Did Balrog have a teacher? Do him and Rolento have any kind of Storyline together?
What are the names of Makoto's father, the guy that came before Zeku, and Chun Li's mom?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/17/2001 11:12:36 PM
Balrog's teacher is a ninja. Capcom hasn't said who though. The popular choice is Geki. And I
don't think Balrog and Rolento even know each other.
Makoto's dad's name is Masaru.
The guy that came before Zeku? I'm gonna assume you mean the former Bushinryu master. I'm
pretty sure it's Genryusai(Maki's dad).
Chunli's mom......hmmmm...... gotta check into that.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/18/2001 6:06:25 AM
Alright Saiki-Sama, I have only ONE more question and then that should do it for me...(I do
have your E-mail address ya' know...j/k) :)
1. How does the Street Fighter 2 Animated Movie tie into Street Fighter Zero 2? Was the
Animated Movie meant to further explain Zero 2 itself or was it completely irrelevant to the
story?
(The reason why I ask is because the two secret stages in Zero 2 (the Australia stage with the
tall grass and thunderstorm and the Venezuala stage with the big waterfall) seem to tie the two
items together; I mean mostly the Australia stage...where the Anime claims that there is where
Sagat got his chest scar from Ryu...which I hope isn't true!
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From: SZA | Posted: 7/18/2001 8:49:28 AM
Why does Dan call Blanka Jimmy?
Does Street Fighter 2010 have any connection with the Street Fighter universe?
Why did Ken want to learn Shotokan/Anjiutsu?
Did Dan learn from Retsu when Gouken did'nt train anymore?
Does Urien and Gills civilation have supernatural powers to?
Which country is Vega from? Thailand? naaaa....
Does Ryu win over Ken everytime they meet and fight?
I'm not so good at expressing thankfulness so I just gonna say that I worship you! =)
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/18/2001 11:17:08 AM
Let's see what I can do here...
1. According to Capcom, Blanka's REAL name IS Jimmy.
2. I sure-as-hell hope not!
3. Ken's father sent him to Japan to learn discipline under Gouken...he was spend-thrifty and
cocky before he met Ryu.
4. Dan wasn't finished training, so Retsu allowed him to learn moves associated with Gouken's
style of Anasatsu-ken. Gouken refused to teach Dan because he was always saying how he would
take revenge on Sagat for killing his father.
5. I wouldn't call them supernatural powers...but then again...I can't really classify what
their abilities are.
6. No one really knows where the hell Vega/M.Bison is from!
7. Well that's much debated...but actually Ryu and Ken are pretty equal on victories over each
other...they've fought many times and Ken has won; then Ryu has won...you get the idea.
Both now how strong they really are, and they don't care about the victories or the tally...but
Ken likes to rub it in every time they fight!
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From: Seth0708 | Posted: 7/18/2001 12:34:05 PM
So when does Match of the Millenium happen? It's pretty obvious Capcom vs SNK doesn't occur,
but Match of the Millenium has a plot that fits (relatively) into the storyline.
I always assumed it happened between Street Fighter Zero 3 and Street Fighter II.
From: gotenklink83 | Posted: 7/18/2001 12:45:53 PM
MOTM is a dream match too. Haohmaru, Nakoruru, and Akari are all dead by that time. Other then
those though, I can think of no examples why it wouldn't. Darkstalkers is a modern day fighter,
just in an alternate reality.
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/18/2001 2:14:39 PM
If Dan calls Blanka Jimmy, doesn't that mean he knew him before he mutated into Blanka?
Or did Dan just spend so much time in Brazil with Blanka at some point that he learned to speak
Blanka's language (seems more likely)?
(Gasp) Does that mean Dan could be Sean's father???
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From: SoCKS | Posted: 7/18/2001 6:33:37 PM
Bump! This thread is too good to let die...
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/18/2001 7:24:27 PM
True Warrior
Don't worry about asking too much questions man. It doesn't bother me at all. Anyways, on to
the answers
1) The SF2 Anime doesn't count at all. Capcom took that as an idea to make the Zero series.
Oh, Ryu defeated Sagat in a temple like place. It's the BG Sagat fights in.
SFZ
True Warrior pretty much answered them for me
Seth0708
None of the vs cross-over series are in the real story. They're all dream matches like
gotenklink83 said.
ProTect
Dan is the one that taught Blanka how to speak english. In the process, Dan learned that
Blanka'a real name was Jimmy. Oh yeah, Blanka once saved Dan's life in the jungle. That's how
they know each other.
And no, Dan isn't Sean's dad. Sean knows Dan and hates to be refered to him.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/18/2001 7:26:23 PM
Who handed Ryu to Gouken? Does Ken's dad know Gouken?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/18/2001 8:31:47 PM
It's currently unknown who handed Ryu to Gouken. The creators of the SFZero anime thinks its
Ryu's mom. I like to think otherwise.
Kens dad and Gouken are long-time friends.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/18/2001 8:46:31 PM
What is Ken's dad's name? Does he know how to fight?
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/18/2001 9:02:07 PM
Hey Saiki, What about Cammy being Vega's clone or sumthing like that?
My bet is that all those girls that were kidnapped (Noembelu, Aprile, Decapri, Juni, Juli and
the others) were experiments to fit Vega's Psycho Power, since his body couldn't hold it
anymore, so he had to "transfer" part of it to someone that he could easily control.
So, when all the experiments have failed, Vega tried his last shot: a clone.... so he created
Cammy, but even a clone could not hold the Psycho Power, so he was in trouble, until he found
Ryu......
Am I right with this?
And what about the Psycho Drive? That machine is Vega source of power? Something to enhance his
power? What?
BTW, is it true that in Japanese the name of Vega's organization is Shadoru, that in our
alphabet it becomes Shadoloo and when it cames to US, it becames Shadaloo?
And where does Shadowlaw and Shadowloo comes from?
I hope I'm not bugging you with those questions.
From: thedeadman227 | Posted: 7/18/2001 9:10:32 PM
Hey since you people are talking on this subject does anyone know where to find the Ryu Final
or any other manga comic book series online
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/18/2001 9:13:46 PM
I have no clue what Kens dads name is.
Lord Vega
Cammy is number 0. Basically she was the very first one. She was created as a double. So that
when Vega's body gives, she would be the next host for his body. The rest of the 12 dolls were
kidnapped and enhanced using gene therapy. The only problem was that no body, not his or
Cammy's was able to use the Psycho Power to its fullest. Until he found Ryu. It's rumoured that
Decapri is also another clone. I've heard some people spectate that she's from Gill's
organization too.
The Psycho drive isn't his source of power. It's used to channel in all the negative energy of
the world. Vega then uses his shoulder plates to transfer the energy from the Psycho drive to
his body.
In Japanese, it could be Shadoruu or Shadoloo or Shadoroo or Shadowrou or Shadowloo. Shadowlaw
came from the english version of SF2 the anime.
From: wonderful | Posted: 7/18/2001 9:30:54 PM
Could you tell me Garuda (SFEX)'s story?
does he have a story at all?
From: AngelKen | Posted: 7/18/2001 10:34:31 PM
from what i know about garuda is that he is a demon who was awoken by the evil intent in both
evil ryu and akuma.............well i read somewherthats what i think anyway.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/18/2001 10:37:41 PM
Wow! That's great Saiki.
But I still have some doubts and questions:
"The Psycho drive isn't his source of power. It's used to channel in all the negative energy of
the world. Vega then uses his shoulder plates to transfer the energy from the Psycho drive to
his body."
Well, I thought that the Psycho Drive channels only the negative energy from fighters (along
with their life energy, Birdie's ending). And, if Vega's armor is a transmitter for this
energy, so why everytime the Psycho Drive is destroyed, Vega is destroyed too, does the plates
overloads and blow up? I think that the Psycho Drives kinda controls Vega's Pscyho Powers,
since it's consuming his body.
Were you heard about the shoulter plates thing?
Could Vega be Hitler's resurrection? Since once he said: "I have gone by many different names
throughout history. But each has always been marked by fear and despair."
So Vega's soul could have been Cezar, Alexander and Hitler's soul...
Another thing, how Vega can survive, and AT THE SAME TIME die in that explosion, he survived it
on Nash's ending, and the plates were kinda damaged, but he died all those other explosions....
why?
In the game, we can only see 10 of the Psycho Squad (I hear that this is the name of the
elite), 11 with Cammy. So why there's one missing? BTW, I'm doing the animated GIF of Juni &
Juli's
You mentioned that the jap version of cammys ending in SSF2 was different than the Us one, have
you found anymore differences?
Sorry if I'm bugging you too much.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/18/2001 11:20:37 PM
Garuda is the combination of all souls that were doomed in fate by the "Satsui no Hado/Evil
Intent". Rage, hate, vengeance fuels his soul. He is said to take different shapes and forms
depending on who he's fighting. He becomes stronger against those who hunger for strength and
becomes more filled with hate against those who have vengeance. He's neither man or demon.
Lord Vega
The Psycho drive can channel any negative energy or emotions. But Vega can get more from
fighters. Vega blows up because his current body couldn't handle anymore Psycho power. When the
Psycho Drive blows up, all the energy stored in there gets released. The released energy goes
to Vega's body, Vega's body can't take it and *BOOM*
I like your theory that Vega might have been Cezar, Alexander, Hitler, etc, etc. I never
thought of that. It's very possible.
There's actually 13 all together including Cammy. Cammy was the first one. So there's two
missing from the intro. The two that are missing are Enero and Santum. Oh and the name of the
squad is "Shadowloo elite squad members/Shadowloo dolls"
Yup, Cammy's ending is totally different. I'd love to mention more differences but there's just
too many to list. Cammy's is one of the more outstanding differences though.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/19/2001 12:32:13 AM
Ok, so Vega's body can't handle with it, but, and when it's the other side, why Vega explodes
when he loses a fight?
And what about the relationship between Rose and Vega? I know that she was Vega's student, but
what does "Two different lives shar the same soul" and "We'll return to where we belong...as
was our wish!" thing means? a while back, I thought that Rose could be the first doll (she's
kinda old...), but then I remembered of SFZ1 when she said that "they" ordered her to go after
him.
So what's with those two?
And still in SFA3, vega says:
Vega: A rose without thorns means friendship.... Come now.... I should never have allowed you
to grow thorns....
Rose: No! That obedience is what caused all this tragedy....
What does this means?
Does Vega has any twisted story between from Jap to US translation? Could you please tell me
which they are? I would be very glad.
For me one of the trickiest ending of SFZ3 was Juni's:
"We are... always... Vega's..."
Then the screen cut to chun-li saying "...Shadaloo enhanced soldiers..." And from what I could
understand from Juli's ending, they couldn't live without Vega..... but Cammy somehow fixed it
with the Psycho Drive, why?
One last thing: How they call Vega in Japan? Lord? Master? Sir? Mister? How?
Thanks a lot.
From: Feng | Posted: 7/19/2001 12:57:02 AM
Does anyone have a link to a good Street fighter 1 site?
I have no idea what Retsu and the others look like.
From: Busterbeam | Posted: 7/19/2001 3:21:32 AM
you know i've never posted on this topic but i swear i'm going to read all 184 messages! its
pretty interesting!
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From: SZA | Posted: 7/19/2001 6:58:04 AM
Hey! Nobody answered my Street Fighter 2010 question! :)
I think it's really interesting cause Ken is involved there to.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/19/2001 9:43:24 AM
Feng:
http://www.videogames.com/features/universal/sfhistory/char.html
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From: Batsu | Posted: 7/19/2001 11:51:35 AM
As far as the original Japanese stories go, I think you can pick them up out of All About
Capcom Fighting Games 1987-2000 (providing you can read Japanese).
Other than that, I wouldn't know, unless someone's read from there and done his or her own
translations, or just has all the games and related media in Japanese.
As far as Street Fighter 2010 goes, that's not really Ken in there, but I think Capcom USA
used the "Ken" name as a selling point. The Japanese version notes the protagonist as a person
named "Kevin", not "Ken".
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/19/2001 2:40:40 PM
I always thought Bison had the ability to feed off negative energy with or without the Psycho
Drive. It was my understanding that the Psycho Drive intensifies ANY form of energy (including
his own) so that he can use it to power himself or just blow up cities.
Did Capcom USA just screw up Rose's endings, or is it true that they really are that mysterious
even in the Japanese versions?
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/19/2001 5:05:00 PM
Just a quick question about Sagat and Adon. I read in the SF Alpha strategy guide that Sagat
won his first Muay Thai championship when he was 15, and beat Go shortly thereafter. Yet he
took in Adon before he beat Go. How old was Adon when he began training with Sagat? 5?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/19/2001 5:55:53 PM
Lord Vega Bison
Rose, Cammy and Vega all share the same soul. Cammy has the same soul because she's a clone. I
don't know why Rose share's the same soul though. Capcom really hasn't said. It's still a
mystery. Although it is hinted in the Japanese version ending that Rose may go evil and her
soul power turn to psycho power.
The 12 dolls can't live without Vega because there body, soul and mind were so corrupted by
Vega'a brainwashing that without Vega, they would collapse. They were *fixed* with the Psycho
drive because the Psycho drive sent in the remaining Psycho power into the 12 dolls so they
could at least survive for the time being. So in that sense, if all 12 dolls survived, they too
have partial abilities of Pyscho Power.
Vega is usually called Vega-sama
ProTect
Adon and Sagat aren't too different in age. Maybe 5~7 years apart. Sagat took in Adon as a
student 3 years after becomng the Muay Thai God.
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/19/2001 6:07:45 PM
I like your theory that Vega might have been Cezar, Alexander, Hitler, etc, etc. I never
thought of that. It's very possible.
I think he's Adolf Hitler. Check out the Revival Device at part one of the endgame in Bionic
Commando! :D
Scarier still:
Imagine Vega/M. Bison if he were bald and wasn't wearing his hat, now look at any artwork of
Sigma from the Mega Man X series (an evil force who travels from mechanical being to mechanical
being looking for a suitable body). O_O;
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/19/2001 6:42:34 PM
Yeah, I think Sigma reveals in Mega Man X3 that he's really a virus. That would certainly
explain how Bison manages to change bodies all the time. He'd even be able to inhabit several
bodies at once (e.g. his dolls).
I always thought Bison's original character portrait in SF2:WW made him look like a cross
between Hitler and Saddam Hussein, only with red eyes and no mustache.
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/19/2001 9:26:38 PM
ProTect
"I always thought Bison had the ability to feed off negative energy with or without the Psycho
Drive. It was
my understanding that the Psycho Drive intensifies ANY
form of energy (including his own) so that he can use it
to power himself or just blow up cities."
Me too, his story (from SFZ2, it's out of the game) tells the same thing, that he tried to
drain hate from fighters... he only could drain fear....
The Psycho Drive can't intensify ANY form of energy, only Psycho Power. It converts the
negative energy and transfer it to Vega. But I think that the Psycho Drive can also control
Vega's Psycho Power, as it can heal Vega's body.
That's how he can hold the demonic strength of Psycho Power in his body...
And the Psycho Drive only works with the ones that posses Psycho Power (Or only with Vega and
his DNA). You see Birdie, he had his strength drained when he stepped inside it... but this
didn't happen with Cammy and Juli.
That ray which he blows Hong Kong is a massive concentration of Psycho Power.
"I think he's Adolf Hitler. Check out the Revival Device at part one of the endgame in Bionic
Commando!"
He can't be only Hitler, remember that I mentioned seveal ppl that bestow fear, hate and
destruction.
Hitler was racist, he wanted a perfect race: Aryan (blue eyes, blonde, white skin, hey that's
me!)to take over the world, and Vega hired Mike Bison who is black (Hitler hated black people,
a lot of them were killed during the Holocaust), he also hired Balrog, who looks too narcisist
and ***, although he look like an Aryan, but this kind of ppl were also killed in the
holocaust, and a lot of his Dolls aren't Aryan, but his "clone" Cammy is....
Saiki
Yep, the american Ending also tells that, but there's a big mystery, does Psycho Power became
Soul Power or the contrary? Did Vega taught her Psycho Power (that Rose transformed it in Soul
Power) or he taught he Soul Power,
that later on he transformed in Psycho Power?
I still thinks that Rose was the first Doll ever, even before Cammy...
Have they released the name of Vega's fighting style in japanese? Or is it just Psycho Power?
The RPG said that it was Ler Drit.... But Ler Drit (or Lerd Rit) is the military form of Muay
Thai;;;;
And HERE is the big question, why all the alpha characters don't have their age (only a few
have, like Sakura, Cammy and Karin) and their Birth Dates?
Why Capcom hided it?
The same goes to the SF3 characters. They don't have any personal info, only Hugo has his
height and weight... but what abou the B/W/H measures, Blood Type and Date of Birth of the
characters?
Thanks a lot Saiki, you're really GREAT! @_@
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/19/2001 9:33:31 PM
Yeah, I think the early SF2:WW biographies (even in America) said it was Ler Drit.
But I think he uses Ler Drit about as much as Ryu and Ken use Karate (i.e. for a few normal
moves, but his specials are his own creations).
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/19/2001 9:37:25 PM
Isn't it possible that Bison is a "soul" who invades people and distorts their own prejudices
and fears into hatred? That way, he could have been Genghis Khan, Rasputin, Hitler, etc.
(people who held widely divergent beliefs) without contradicting himself (he doesn't believe in
anything except the destruction of everything that opposes him).
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/19/2001 9:46:56 PM
But how is he able to blow up Hong Kong when he puts Ryu (or anyone who loses to him in Alpha 3)
in the Psycho Drive if it only increases Psycho Power? What does he do, combine their energy
with his Psycho Power? His ending doesn't seem to imply anything like that. It's like
Ryu (or whoever)'s in the Psycho Drive = Bison has power
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From: Saiki | Posted: 7/19/2001 10:03:48 PM
Lord Vega Bison
Soul Power and Psycho Power are the exact same thing. The only difference is that Soul Power is
powered by that actual users soul. Psycho power is powered by hate, fear, rage, etc, etc.
It's very possible that Rose was the first doll. I remember when SFZ first came out, I though
Rose was Cammy.
Yeah, Vega's fighting style is Psycho Power
Capcom didn't release the ages because they were lazy with SFZ. They didn't want to make any
Birthdates or anything. Same goes for SFIII.
ProTect
Yup, that's how Vega blows up HK.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/19/2001 10:43:41 PM
ProTech
"Isn't it possible that Bison is a "soul" who invades people and distorts their own prejudices
and fears into hatred? That way, he could have been Genghis Khan, Rasputin, Hitler, etc.
(people who held widely divergent beliefs) without contradicting himself (he doesn't believe in
anything except the destruction of everything that opposes him)."
All those that I mentioned believed in their country, but in the end they ALMOST destroyed it.
But one thing is true, all of them were crazy and WANTED to conquer the world.... I'm reading
Mein Kampf (I'm not a Nazi, but this subject attract me, everyone says a lot of RUDE things
about Hitler, but one thing we have recognise: it's not anyone who can make a campain and start
a World War, he ruled Germany with an Iron Fist.) to try to understand Hitler better. But...
yes he was crazy, as was Cezar, Alexander and others that tried to rule this world... About the
soul thing.... why not? If he wants to enter Ryu's body to keep his legacy and with a lot of
power.... perhaps even more power than Psycho Power...
"But how is he able to blow up Hong Kong when he puts Ryu (or anyone who loses to him in Alpha
3) in the Psycho Drive if it only increases Psycho Power?
What does he do, combine their energy with his Psycho Power? His ending doesn't seem to imply
anything like that. It's like
Ryu (or whoever)'s in the Psycho Drive = Bison has power"
Well, for me Capcom made a mistake with the bad ending (when you loses to Vega) Ryu has his
inner evil energy hiding inside him, and this energy is huge, that's why he could support
Psycho Power better than Vega, this evil energy is PERFECT to feed the Psycho Drive for a long
time, if not forever, increasing Vega's Psycho Power to outstanding levels, so that's why he
can destroy cities.
But in the bad ending, it's not everyone that have this ammout of evil energy.
Perhaps Gouki and Sagat. When the negative energy is converted into Psycho Power, it's stored
inside the Psycho Drive, then, this energy can do the following things:
1: Increase Vega's Psycho Power;
2: Heal Vega's body;
3: Control the Psycho Power inside Vega's body (so it won't consume him so soon);
4: Can be converted on that destructive ray
Of course that the Psycho Drive could do tons of things (perhaps brainwash...)but those are the
main (and revealed) ones... so, yes, whoever's in the Psycho Drive, Vega has his power
INCREASED.
To Saiki
Rose being Cammy? He he he.... that's impossible. I even heard that Cammy was Rose and Vega's
daughter....
But back in SFZ, Rose said that THEY sent her to deal with him... who are those ppl?
Another thing: Remember when Rose sealed Vega's Psycho Power in SFZ2? Well when she consulted
her cards, Vega appeared, fully recovered, the Psycho Drive recharged him... right?
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/19/2001 11:11:48 PM
Lord Vega Bison
I know, it was a far fetched theory but I thought it was true. Up until Cammy appeared in
SFZ2A.
That whole thing with Rose saying "THEY" sent her is a mis-translation. In the original, she
didn't say anything about being sent by anyone. So going by that, there are no ppl that sent
her.
I actually think it was someone else. In SFZ2,Rose sealed Vega's Psycho Power and Vega's soul.
So it would have been impossbile for Vega himself to do something. I personally think that
someone else or thing recovered him.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/19/2001 11:16:17 PM
ProTech
Oh yeah, and to make that huge explosion, he adds his own Psycho Power to the one already
stored into the Psycho Drive.
From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/19/2001 11:17:05 PM
ProTect: Sigma reveals it at the end of Mega Man X1 :D. I think they don't really bring it up
in X2 because it was assumed or whatever.
Lord Vega Bison: Eh, it's just one more storyline dicontinuity ;p
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/19/2001 11:50:44 PM
Saiki
Perhaps it was Cammy, she's the only one who knows Vega's secrets...
Have you readed Street Fighter Zero Manga by Masahiko Nakahira?
Neo Rasa:
I think that it was in Mega Man X3 that was revealed that Sigma was a virus, but i'm kinda
confused It could be MMX2, but it isn't MMX 1.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/19/2001 11:54:50 PM
Who is Ryu's Father?
Dorai? Dorai got Ryu's mom pregnant then the two broke up before Ryu was born. Ryu's mom gave
Ryu to Gouken, a good friend of hers, because she felt she could not raise Ryu alone. Ryu never
knew who his father was. Mean while Dorai met Chun Li's mom, and had Chun Li. When Chun Li was
2 Dorai was killed by Vega. So Ryu and Chun Li have the same father??
Actually I just made that up. It could happen though ....
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From: Orochi Ryu | Posted: 7/20/2001 1:54:47 AM
Wow, I really admire what you did here saki. First I thought the street fighter story line
sucked but after reading this its proboly one of the coolist.
Of course i came here to ask question if you dont mind.
1.Is Sagat a bad guy? I mean after all, he only getting ryu because ryu got a cheap shot and
made a scar( I proboly will be pissed off too).
2.where does e.honda come in all this?
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From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/20/2001 4:54:59 AM
Sagat is not a bad guy. He's just another honorable fighter that got lost in rage a few times.
Actually there are very few bad guys in SF, most are just too enmeshed in the fighting spirit
and seem too violent therefore 'Bad'.
E.Honda was just out to show the world that Sumo is not a sport or martial art to be laughed
at.
I still Think Akuma is not evil (and Evil Intent was just a translation for the west to
understand satsui no hado which does not translate to Evil Intent)
From: AngelKen | Posted: 7/20/2001 5:29:48 AM
BISON and ROSE used to be members in a Psychic Club...
BISON developed his powers and wanted to use for world domination... ROSE was sent by her peers
to stop bison.
What bison might of been trying to say when he said he and rose share the same soul is that
both have are an entity of one being... BISON is the evil conscience and ROSE is the good
conscience.
From: Palidor | Posted: 7/20/2001 6:04:43 AM
I've always wondered.. what IS the plot of the SFEX characters? The Arika designed ones, that
is.
I've heard bits and pieces, but I'm still at a complete loss as to the character backgrounds,
since I've only played SFEX2+.
Also.. is it true Kairi kills Akuma in the EX plotline? I've heard it, but it seems a bit
farfetched.
Thanks. :P
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/20/2001 6:09:46 AM
RoKiSePH: On the "Gouki not being evil" thought; I wouldn't say that he's a good guy either
because who kills their own brother and master in a fit of rage just because they didn't show
him a secret technique that would eventually kill him!
That's just my notion anyway...
Saki-Sama: What's all this stuff about Gouki WANTING to be killed in SFZ2 and 3?
In his ending in SFZ2, his last words are, "I will be the next to die...hahahah!"
And in his ending in SFZ3, he tells Gen that he hopes he can kill him.
What's all that about?
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From: SZA | Posted: 7/20/2001 6:48:45 AM
Maybe this doesn't have anything to do with the story-line (or maybe it does), anyway why did
Capcom remove the mighty "Shinku-Hadouken-Beams" and replaced it with a bad version of the
hadouken (of course i'm not referring to Street Fighter 3: Third Strike Shinku-Hadoukens
beacause they look generally amazing)?
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/20/2001 1:29:34 PM
Oh I definitely won't call him good either, he's just chaotic neutral but deranged. Not really
ethical in our sense of the word.
Generally Satsui no Hadou is like a, hmmm, how shall i put it...magnet, or a force or addiction
of some kind. It makes you drawn to power, I mean real power....with Akuma, this Satsui no
Hadou's influence is what is making him let Ryu off, therefore giving him a future to develop
into "Evil Ryu" in the hopes that "Evil Ryu" will come and defeat him for good. Glorified death
in the hands of one mightier than thou....something like that..the ultimate ecstasy for him.I
know how to visualize it but don't really know how to describe it in words.
I mean, with Gen defeated Akuma's hopes are probably pinned on Ryu now. But...naaaahhh...so far
it hasn't happened now has it.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/20/2001 2:41:07 PM
The Shinkuu beams were in the Marvel Versus games to make the Street Fighters match up better
with the X-Men and Marvel Super Heroes. I think the story explanation would be that the powers
of the Street Fighters were magnified when they traveled to the alternate dimension that is the
Marvel Universe. In the normal Street Fighter universe (where the non-Versus games take place)
their powers are more limited, thus the Super Fireball Shinkuus.
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/20/2001 2:43:02 PM
He does have murderous intent, which I don't think is a character trait valued by any society
(not during peace-time, anyway).
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From: Neo Rasa | Posted: 7/20/2001 2:57:54 PM
Lord Vega Bison:
"I am just a spirit, soon I will find a stronger body...etc. etc...I'll be back real soon etc."
~Mega Man X1 ending :)
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/20/2001 3:03:36 PM
You can add to that Bison's bio in Alpha 3, which says Psycho Power needs a host. Maybe it's
not Bison who is truly evil, but Psycho Power itself, conquering bodies like a virus and
driving its hosts to acts of cruelty.
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From: Haruo | Posted: 7/20/2001 3:04:52 PM
Either way I still hate his guts...
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From: Orochi Ryu | Posted: 7/20/2001 3:15:14 PM
I got a couple of more qustion but ill ask one for now =)
If Vega can take over people bodies, so that means when he died in zero 3 he came back with
someone elses body in Street fighter 2 seris?
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From: Columbo | Posted: 7/20/2001 4:25:16 PM
Saiki i have a couple of questions, wasn't Shen Long the founder of the Shotokan fighting
style?
Shouldn't Sakura be in Sf3: 3rd Strike? I mean why have Ken and Ryu in there when you should
have Sean or Mel; Ken's son(Ken had a daughter before and now a son? wtf) and Sakura?
Isn't Oro more powerful than ryu and akuma? I mean he sealed off one of his arms so he could
give everyone else a fair chance!
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From: Haruo | Posted: 7/20/2001 4:31:10 PM
Now Ken has a daughter!?!
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/20/2001 5:09:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ken doesn't have a daughter.
Second of all, there isn't a Sheng Long character. Allow me to explain:
What started as an innocent April Fool's Day prank led to a near worldwide joke when EGM
published a "code" for Street Fighter 2 that allowed you to face a character called Sheng Long
(which, by the way, is the Chinese name for the dragon punch). Sheng Long was reported to be
the teacher of Ryu and Ken's Shotokan style, and the "screenshot" EGM ran showed a very
Ryu-esque character, except with longer, gray hair and brown apparel. In order to fight against
Sheng Long, you were supposed to get to M. Bison without getting hit, then let your fight with
M. Bison go nine rounds without either of you getting hit. On the tenth round, Sheng would bust
out and replace M. Bison, and then proceed to beat you senseless. The repercussions were
enormous, and people around the world began pumping money into SF2 machines, trying to find a
hidden boss that didn't exist. The writers of a Hong Kong comic book based on the Street
Fighter series scrambled to include Sheng Long in their book. The code was reprinted in tons of
different magazines. The effects of the rumor are still felt today, as some FAQ keepers
continue to list Sheng Long as part of the storyline. Also, it's fairly likely that Akuma was
derived from this rumor, as his all-powerful appearance begins as he comes from nowhere to
pummel M. Bison and replace him in the tournament. There are just too many similarities between
the EGM fake and the real Akuma for it to be a coincidence. A few years ago, EGM republished
the rumor of the character, this time as existing in Street Fighter 3. Not surprisingly, some
people fell for it once again.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/20/2001 5:26:18 PM
By the way: Saiki, If you don't mind, I have a couple questions of my own.
1. I may be wrong, but one of Hugo Andore's reasons for entering the Street Fighter 3
tournament is to find a partner to join the tag-team ranks with. During his ending from SF3:
2nd Impact, He walks down to the ring with Elena as the announcer mentions something about
Haggar and Black Widow (from ring of destruction) being their opponents. Now I'm aware that
this ending didn't take place (I'm not dumb), but aren't Haggar's wrestling days long gone? Why
was he wrestling again, or am I overthinking this little scenario?
2. Did CAPCOM have to alter SF2's plot a little after they made the alpha series? I thought I
heard you saying earlier that Sagat was instrumental in snapping Ryu out of his funk and
kicking Bison's/Vega's ass along-side Ken, Sakura and Ryu. If this is so, why is he one of the
4 kings of Shadaloo in SF2? Did I miss something?
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/20/2001 6:17:12 PM
Okay Golden Dragon, let me see if I can appease your answer-seeking questions somewhat...
I can't answer your first question, but for the second one:
SF2 NEVER HAPPENED!!!! (laugh with me in pure hysteria!!!!^_^)
Saiki-sama proved that it never happend (just read all of my previous posts on this topic);
though I'm not completey 100% convinced (more like 95%) that it's true.
IT EVEN PROVES ITSELF FALSE!!! We've been playing THE SAME game for the past 10 years and it
has had the SAME storyline (allegedly) throughout it's incarnations!
Hope that helps!
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: MLai | Posted: 7/20/2001 11:06:11 PM
I just want to say: do not dis men like Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great. They are not
like Hitler. They were great men in great times. Hitler was one too, objectively speaking. But
Hitler was a madman. Caesar and Alexander were conquerors. Conquerors are not madmen.
Akuma may be evil by our moral standards (he killed his teacher and brother), but he is not
evil by his own ethical code. His code is the harsh code of the absolute warrior. He had no
qualms killing his teacher and brother because he killed them in fair one-to-one combat. It
didn't matter who they were; the field of battle does not distinguish between friend or foe.
And he only fights and kills those who call themselves warriors and trains in fighting; he
doesn't go around killing defenseless normal ppl.
Ryu teeters on the brink of Akuma's abyss, because he has all but forsaken society and his own
humanity for the way of the absolute warrior. He doesn't have to act outright evil -kill women
and children and small animals- to become like Akuma. Ken's his only anchor to the human world.
If Akuma is smart, he'd just kill Ken and Ryu would be overcome by Satsui no Hado in a matter
of weeks.
From: Shinku Hadoken | Posted: 7/20/2001 11:22:35 PM
When did Ryu get his headband from Ken? In the movie? Or at the end of SFA2?
Can you tell me Blanka's Japanese history?
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From: Columbo | Posted: 7/20/2001 11:32:55 PM
Thank you for answering one of my questions, I've been confused about Shen Long's history in
SF.
Anyway allow me to elaborate on my previous question about Ken. In Ken's ending in SF2 it shows
his wife Eliza and his daughter, but in his Alpha 2 ending it shows his playing a game of SF
with his son Mel. Capcom also mentions Mel in SF3, so my question is whatever happened to his
daughter?
If SF4 does see the day of light, they should scrap Ryu and Ken for Sakura and Sean.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/20/2001 11:43:42 PM
Dude, no way. The Street Fighter 2 series (SF2WW-SSFT2T) had to happen. It definitely did. If
I'm wrong, atleast explain yourself.
From: ChampionSagat | Posted: 7/21/2001 2:28:27 AM
Saiki: This is a great topic and you have helped me in some ways!!!! However I am still
skeptical about some of what you say.
1) I believe that SFZ does take place! (It explains such matters like how Sagat meets
Vega/Bison and how Ken meets Eliza.)
2) I am also skeptical about Gouken's daughter you mentioned (No offense towards you, but how
would CAPCOM manage to leave that whole section of story out? Of course they are incompetent.)
Also how Ken and Guile are related! (Please just give me some of your sources and I will
believe, if they are good.)
3) 2nd to finally (lol), not all of the CAPCOM's characters endings/stories in games happen! If
so Charlie died three times!! Sagat beat Ryu many times, and shouldn't even want revenge! Dan
beat Sagat and got his revenge, only to come back in the next game to get his revenge(?)!!!!
Many more botches occur!
4) Finally, how you are basing some of your SF story of of the mangas. (I am just recently
purchasing these!) Did CAPCOM, or people at CAPCOM, write those? I know they may have endorsed
it, but they also endorsed the SF:movie *shudder* and SF:RPG by white wolf (which said Bison
got his powers from a meteor *laughs*). CAPCOM will sign there names out to anything that will
make them some money (or at least if they for see it making money).
sidenote: None of this is meant to offend you. It's just that I find it hard to swallow. Please
if any of you can prove any of my statements wrong then go ahead and do so, please!!!! (It
would be awesome if SF actually had a good story line like the one Saiki proposed!!!!) Saiki
aside from that I love what you done if it's true, and even if it's not!!!!
Also MLai I love your explanation of how Ryu is like Akuma!!
"How does it feel to have your body torn by my fist?"-Sagat
From: lonnie007 | Posted: 7/21/2001 4:39:42 AM
Damn, MLai, I've been waiting for someone to say that about Gouki for years! The last time I
said that Gouki wasn't really evil, only by American standards, man, I got the pitchforks and
torches popping out!
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/21/2001 7:07:06 AM
Hey MLai, could you elaborate more on the "Absolute Warrior" belief; I have a hard time
understanding that...if you don't mind? :)
Golden Dragon, Like I said before, SF2-SSF2 NEVER happened! The only one to be official to the
horribly complex and mystifiying Street Fighter Storyline is Super Street Fighter 2 X (Super
Turbo in the USA) because it wasn't really an add-on like the previous games.
Just think about it: Why did Ryu walk off into the sunset for 10 years? HOW can Ken have gotten
married to the SAME woman 4 times (SF2-SSF2) in a row? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!
AND, to add, Capcom of America only gave character bios in SF2; what happened to the characters
in Street Fighter 2 Turbo? Championship Edition? Super Street Fighter 2? They gave us endings
and WE MADE UP ALLEGED STORIES FOR THEM BECAUSE STUPID GAMING MAGAZINES
*cough*gameproandEGM*cough* PUT THEIR OWN OPINIONS AND WARPED IDEAS TAKEN FROM HORRIBLE MOVIES
AND OAVs!!! WE NEVER KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE CAPCOM OF AMERICA ALWAYS CENSORED OR
ALTERED WHAT CAPCOM OF JAPAN WAS REALLY TRYING TO TELL US!!!
If you need further proof, just look at the KOF story: IT'S NEVER BEEN ALTERED BECAUSE IT CAME
STRAIGHT FROM SNK OF JAPAN, NOT SNK OF AMERICA!!! (Thank God!)
I think I understand what you mean about the previous Street Fighter Series, but come now;
which one are you going to believe: An add-on that was still incomplete, or game with a new
beginning for Capcom's wavering franchise?
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/21/2001 10:14:53 AM
Wow, I miss one day and so many replies. Oh well, I don't mind it at all.
Orochi Ryu
Sagat is same as Venom. He's a bad guy because he wants to kill a good guy.
Vega came back because his scientists made another host body for him.
AngelKen
Please, don't bring up the secret society thing. It was made up Capcom USA.
Palidor
I'm pretty sure that in the EX series, Kairi does kill Gouki. I can't say for sure though.
True Warrior
Gouki is basically bored. He's so strong that nothing gives him a thrill. He wants to fight
someone that has the ability to kill him so he'd have a challenge.
Columbo
Ken had a daughter? I'm pretty sure Ken only has a son. And besides, he's only 4 I think in
SFIII. Although technically Sakura could be in SFIII since she'd only be about 25~27.
And about Oro, I personally think Oro is stronger but I can't guarantee it. Capcom hasn't
really shown what Oro can really do. Oh and about ShengLong, Golden Dragon's explanation is how
it happenned.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/21/2001 10:31:50 AM
Golden Dragon
1) Although, like you said, Hugo's ending didn't happen, Haggar doesn wrestle every so often.
2)Like True Warrior said, SF2 never happenned. SSF2X happenned. But because they made the Zero
series, ALOT of the story in SSF2X got chagned in the process. I was expecting Capcom to
actually have a remake version of SSF2X but that never happenned.
Shinku Hadoken
Ryu got his head band in Zero2.
Blank'a story isn't much different from the US story. I can't really think of any big
differences.
Columbo
Ken's ending in SF2, um your talking about the marriage thing right? But I'm pretty sure Ken
never had a daughter though.
And about SF4, I'm also hoping for the return of Sakura.
Champion Sagat
1)Zero2 was made as a upgrade for Zero1. The story didn't go on. It was like the SF2 upgrades.
Sagat meeting Vega and Ken meeting Eliza does happen like in the two endings. But Sgat beating
Ryu and Ken beating Ryu didn't. Those parts happenned in Zero2 and Zero3.
2)About Gouken's daughter, I personally think they've forgotten about her. I only have two
books that mention her. Both of them dating back to 1994. One of the books is called "The
offical SF2 fan book". I really doubt you'll find this book because it was a limited edition
book and its out of print right now. Oh and about Ken and Guile, thats alot more easier to find
out. It's listed in the "ALL ABOUT CAPOCOM fighting games". It's listed in several other
official books as well.
3) Yup, your right. Not all the endings happen.
4) I'm actually not using those manga's as my source. The writer of the manga doesn't work for
Capcom but did alot of research with the story. Capcom liked the many ideas that he had in his
manga and took some of them. So those manga's aren't official.
If you guys have anymore questions, just keep them coming.
From: ChampionSagat | Posted: 7/21/2001 11:34:02 AM
Cool!! I will over look my other statements (Well answered ,but I want to know a few more of
you sources. Also I am now starting a search for those books you mentioned.) because I got a
question now. (I want to see your take on it, Saiki.)
How does Dan beat Sagat in SFZ2(Dan's story) if he just comes back to fight him in SFZ3(Sagat's
story)? (That's based of the assumption that Dan's story is right in SFZ2, by the statement you
made about Dan beating Sagat.) Also who has the right story line in SFZ2 Sagat or Adon? If
Sagat then Sagat beats Adon, however if Adon then Adon beats Sagat??
Sidenote: So what your saying is the endings happened but the fights didn't for SFZ? That's
what I thought all along, because how is Sagat going to beat Ryu 3 times and still want
revenge?! Also I love the little Sagat thing you mentioned earlier on. (Yes that's right I
actually read all the pages of this post. I got really wrapped up in it and couldn't stop!)
Thanks for your time!!!! :)
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"How does it feel to have your body torn by my fist?"-Sagat
From: Orochi Ryu | Posted: 7/21/2001 5:55:27 PM
How does Akuma turn in to shin Akuma? This might a stupid question but i never knew how he
suddenly became shin akuma
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I might lose every battle, but I make it look good.
From: Orochi Ryu | Posted: 7/21/2001 6:04:47 PM
Oh and another thing,you said that "cammy gaiden" seris was translated right? Im wondering how
many books are there inthe seris and where can i get them?
thanks again.
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I might lose every battle, but I make it look good.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/21/2001 6:07:24 PM
It's in one book. I believe the title is Super Street Fighter II: Cammy. You can often find it
on half.com or amazon.com, I think.
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This ain't no 5X whiskey. I can still see!
From: Orochi Ryu | Posted: 7/21/2001 6:13:08 PM Thanks, but how do i know if im going to get
the translated version?
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I might lose every battle, but I make it look good.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/21/2001 6:19:27 PM
If it's listed under that title, it should be the translated version.
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This ain't no 5X whiskey. I can still see!
From: Orochi Ryu | Posted: 7/21/2001 6:30:20 PM
Thanks ProTect! WHen you buy it though its brand new right?
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I might lose every battle, but I make it look good.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/21/2001 6:33:30 PM
On Amazon, it should be new. It might not be on Half.com.
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This ain't no 5X whiskey. I can still see!
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/21/2001 10:54:25 PM
I think people are getting the wrong idea from me, that people don't completely realize what
I'm trying to say. I AM aware that the SF2 series (SF2WW-SSF2T) all run off the same story line
and are all one event. I'm NOT implying that they're Add-ons. I think some of you might've
misinterpreted that. When the "True Warrior" had said that SF2 had never happened, I had
thought he meant the whole street fighter 2 series had never happened. I guess I wasn't
specific enough. I'm also AWARE that not every ending in each game happens and I have something
to add on to that statement. I believe that most characters' endings happen in one way or
another. Usually their ending doesn't happen by defeating the last boss (mainly because not
every character gets a shot at him). Other characters' goals (goals=endings) are usually
reached in another way. I believe that MOST (emphasizing most, not all) endings you see in each
game do happen, but not all endings happen by that certain character fighting and beating the
last boss. A good example is Dee-Jay. As you know, He planned to use his winnings to finally
record a reggae album and make it big. However, he did not make it very far in the 2nd World
Warriors tournament before he was defeated. Although he was discouraged by his loss, during one
of his matches he had created what he considered to be his best song ever. Returning home, he
continued kickboxing and took on odd jobs until he finally was able to scrape enough money
together to make a record. One of the songs he included was the tune he created during the 2nd
World Warriors tournament. Jamaican Music Promotions heard the song and gave Dee-Jay a record
deal. After all his hard work, Dee-Jay finally hit the big time, becoming a famous reggae star
with his unique musical style. You see what I'm saying? Dee-Jay didn't win the tournament, but
his ending still happened. Well I'm all ranted out, so I'll leave everyone alone for now. Take
care.
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/22/2001 12:09:11 AM
Yes MLai
That's Gouki!!!
Not Evil.
Don't forget guys
All the English words are translated from the Japanese ones. Evil intent, or the more
appropraite "Killing intent" is a rough translation. His name is also a rough translation.
(Gouki actually means something other than Akuma
Gou - is to be Glorified, to be deserving of one self
Ki - Ok that's Ghost, Not Demon, but Ghost. One could call him Gouki the Glorified Ghost
nyaaahahaha but yeah)
He IS a conqueror, a true warrior
i don't know how to explain it better than the previous posts :)
and Saiki san i'd have to say bored is an understatement to explain Gouki, I'd say he is
desperate but patient.
And Akuma doesn't become Shin Akuma. Akuma IS Shin Akuma, except that he holds back punches and
uses only a small percent of his power. He does this because he doesn't want to unnecessarily
kill anyone who he feels aren't out to kill him in the first place. (not evil right?)
And Sheng Long means Rising Dragon.
From: Narcis | Posted: 7/22/2001 2:56:08 AM
the Kanji letter "Ki" in Gouki`s name does not actually mean "ghost" or "demon". it means
"Oni". Oni in japanese is the imaginary monster that looks like human with horn.in Japan it is
also believed that human or human`s spirit can turn to Oni when they`re extreamly obsessed with
hatred,anger or vegeance.
by the way,besides the books Saiki-san mentioned, the book called "All about street fighter
zero3" can be another good source for SF`s storyline. Though it`s not Capcom`s official book
but the info written in the book are summed up from all the prologue and ending of each
character. dunno if it`s still available or not though.
From: SZA | Posted: 7/22/2001 9:02:08 AM
Important! Does anybody have a picture of Gouki before he got posessed by the Satsui-no-Hadou?
From: MLai | Posted: 7/22/2001 9:53:46 AM
I believe that MOST endings you see in each game do happen, but not all endings happen by that
certain character fighting and beating the last boss. A good example is Dee-Jay.
Another good example is Ryu. He gets beat up bad by Dee Jay in the prelims, even before Dee Jay
lost later on. That stupid constipated look comes over his face (original ending in SF2), and
he walks off into the sunset.
"I don't care about winning anyways, the fight is all. I was distracted; I let him win. Yeah
that's it."
From: SoCKS | Posted: 7/22/2001 9:17:46 PM
Err, sorry if it's already been asked, but can someone tell me how much time takes place
between Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 3? Also, (and I'm pretty sure what the answer is,
but just double-checking) do Double Impact and Third Strike occur at the same time? I'm pretty
sure they do, but the thing that confuses me is that Third Strike has Chun Li, so if they were
all tournaments, wouldn't the one she enters in be a different one, thus a different time? It
seems like it's just a lack of logic, and I'm pretty sure it is, but just curious. Thanks in
advance, and sorry if I sound stupid.
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From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/22/2001 9:25:26 PM
Hi Narcis, I expected something to point out something like that, actually Ki and Oni are
written differently (as far as I remember)thare are two more strokes in Oni...hmmmm gotta
chack.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/22/2001 9:52:17 PM
MLai, you're saying RYU lost to DEE-JAY? Are you serious? Not that I think you're lying or
anything, but where'd you learn this? Also if Ryu didn't win the 2nd Street Fighter tourney,
then who won?
From: Haruo | Posted: 7/22/2001 10:59:37 PM
Um, I think he was just joking...
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"What strength!! But don't forget there are many guys like you all over the world."
From: Smash Daisaku | Posted: 7/23/2001 1:23:32 AM
I have a question Saiki-Sama. It should be no problem for someone so wise in the way of SF
inconsistencies as yourself. ^_^
What's the story behind Evil Ryu?
As far as I understand it(feel free to correct me Saiki-Sama because I know I'm probably
wrong), Ryu was Ryu up until the end of SFZ2. When he fought Gouki the Satsui no Hado was
awakened and he became Evil Ryu and stayed this way until the end of SFZ3 when Vega tried to
take control of him. When he resisted Vega, he also over came the Setsui no Hado and sealed it
away. This is why Evil Ryu doesn't appear in Super Turbo and SFIII. Of course if I'm right that
means Ryu was Evil Ryu for the entire duration of SFZ3.
BTW I agree with RoKiSePh and MLai. Yes, Gouki is vicious and brutal but not evil, and I think
only towards other fighters. I've thought this since I saw that picture of Akuma giving the
fruit to the little boy in the illustrations section of the saturn version of SFZ2.
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With enough thrust, pigs fly just fine!
Smash Daisaku formerly Twinturbo
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/23/2001 3:07:48 PM
RoKISePh
actually, the kanji for Ki and Oni are the same. The kanji used for "Oni" can be said as Ki as
well.
Smash
Ryu first became Evil Ryu when he beat Sagat. That's when it first awakenned in him. He had no
clue what it was then. He then faced off against Gouki and was told about "Satsui no Hado". In
SFZ3 he was still swaying back and forth from being Ryu and evil Ryu. The time when Vega had
him, he was just Ryu who was brainwashed and controlled by Vega.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/23/2001 5:51:20 PM
Yo Rokiseph, you have a pic of Akuma before He went hard-core? Mind letting me see it if
possible? I have another question for Saiki: Isn't Atsatsuken the name of one of Gen's attacks?
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/23/2001 9:36:09 PM
heheh, meant to say aNsatsuken.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/24/2001 5:57:04 AM
Well Golden Dragon (No offense on my last posts okay? I didn't mean to get you PO'ed)
Anasatsu-ken is the name of Gen's Fighting Style (also for Ken, Ryu, Gouki, Gouken and
Goutetsu)
But with Gen, he has two different variations of the style; aptly named "Sou-ryuu"
(Lamentation/Mournful (a.k.a. Mantis Style) and "Ki-ryuu" (Hatefull/Despised a.k.a. Crane
Style).
Hope that helps!
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/24/2001 9:03:16 AM
Dang buggerit yer all right!!
Ki and Oni are written the same.(I always thought it was different) I'm eternally totally
confused by Kanji VS Simplified Chinese VS Traditional Chinese.
Anyways, yeah, although it's written the same way, it is not only the pronunciation that is
different. You're right about the Oni description, but only if we talk about that specific kind
of Oni. (Yeah the one horned big muscled dude with a spiked club like they always depict them)
But in this instance, and in many other names of the various ghosts and other supernatural
beings in Japanese culture, the same word is used, and isn't pronounced Oni but Ki for the fact
that it is the Generic term for Ghost in that context.
therefore Gouki not Gouoni. (haha suddenly thinking of Bat Guano and goonies)
But taking a step back, hmmmm, both just glorified supernatural beings, awwright, no diff
really.
Hey KinRyuGoldenDragonsan
Gouki before he went hardcore as in during his training days, or Gouki when he went hard core
as Shin-Gouki. Because for the first one, I only have a Manga pic of him after he defeated
Gouken (before he tied his hair and took his beads from Gouken, but this means this pic is
unofficial) but as for the latter, Shin Gouki is Gouki one and the same hard core dude.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/24/2001 11:33:20 AM
Sorry I wasn't clear enough on the subject, Rokiseph. I meant Gouki during his training days.
As for the True Warrior: sorry if I came off as being pissed. None taken.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/24/2001 3:14:31 PM
Guys, I've heard a lot of debates over what the symbol on Akuma's back means and I have a guess
of my own. My bro studies the Japanese language in college and told me that the symbol on a
Akuma's back means "Heaven". I remember a year ago when I stumbled upon one of those translator
thingies on the net, set it on English to Japanese and typed in "Heaven". The exact same symbol
came up. Am I completely wrong, or are there many meanings to this one symbol? Thanks for the
info on Gen, True Warrior. So what you're saying is that Gen knows a variation of the same
martial Art as the shoto-clones? That's weird. Man, this is funked up. I can't believe that all
this stuff is official. Ryu and Ken's style is ANSATSUKEN, NOT SHOTOKAN. That'll take some
getting used to.
From: Golden Hell | Posted: 7/24/2001 3:41:04 PM
If I remember correctly, Ken and Ryu's martial arts style was brought up on another thread a
long time ago. Actually, I think it was Saiki who had mentioned it back then too. But basically
it was Capcom USA who changed their style to Shotokan, to make it more accessible to the
American public. I think it was said that Ansatsuken was an assassin/killer's form of martial
arts and that the "shotos" used that style but applied more karate elements to it. Gen used
Ansatsuken as well but applied more Chinese/Kung Fu elements to it. It explains the rivalry
Gen and Gouki have in the Alpha series at least.
Care to elaborate on it, Saiki? I know you'd be the man to ask. :)
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/24/2001 9:50:15 PM
So I see. I must've forgot about that conversation. On another note, I remember Saiki saying
Retsu WASN'T a student of Gouken's as said in the US story line(which makes a little sense
since Retsu looks pretty old in his pic with Dan, maybe older than Gouken). I remember Saiki
saying he was an old friend of Gouken's, instead. If this is true, is there anymore info on him
other than that? Sorry if some one already asked something like this.
From: Saiki | Posted: 7/24/2001 11:07:28 PM
Golden Dragon
The kanji on Gouki's back means "heaven" in Japanese. It means "sky" in Chinese. But Capcom
meant it to mean heaven. As for Retsu, he's a fallen monk. He was kicked out of the temples
because he was practicing forbidden techniques. No other info is given about him at all. They
said that after the first SF tournament, he disappeared. This is just my guess but I personally
think that it was Retsu who saved Gouken's daughter from Gouki. It would make sense since Retsu
and Gouken were friends. And Gouken was killed while Ryu was fighting Sagat. Hence Retsu had
the time to come back from the SF tournament and save Goukens daughter from Gouki. It's just my
guess though.
Golden Hell
Yup, Both Gouki and Gen use Ansatsuken. Gouki uses Ansatsuken but with more karate, judo,
taekwondo and koppo elements to it. Gen actually should have more styles but I guess it'd be
too hard to put it all into the game. I can't remember all of them but I think it was Mantis,
Crane, Tiger, Bear, err, can't remember the rest.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/25/2001 6:23:27 AM
Well Saiki-Sama, RoKiSePH-Sama (I see you're quite knowledgeable in the twisted realm of
Street Fighter!) and everyone else:
I guess that wraps up this topic! When Saiki (and Neo Rasa) posts their Street Fighter
storyline FAQ, hopefully all your questions will be answered...
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"Stop hitting my fist with your face!"
From: Narcis | Posted: 7/25/2001 7:16:16 AM
Well,actually also in Japanese the Kanji "Ten" itself only means sky. "Heaven" in japanese is
"Tenkoku". You need one more Kanji character. But.....well maybe you`re right,Saiki-san. maybe
Capcom wanna symbolize his godly power. His super combo " Tenma kousankou " can be a good
evidence for this. I mean, "Tenma" in that super`s name means SKY DEMON ( just directly
translate that from the meaning of kanji )
by the way, RoKiSePh-san, no matter what the Kanji KI means ONI or GHOST, don`t you agree that
the name Gouki is way cooler than Akuma( just a plain devil). ^_^
From: SZA | Posted: 7/25/2001 7:23:58 AM
Saiki, do you have an official pic of Gouki before he got posessed of the Satsui no Hado?
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/25/2001 10:58:38 AM
Oh Yeah Narcis
I really think Gouki sounds way cooler!
Its definitely a better title for him than just plain old devil!! heeheehee ^_^
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/25/2001 11:36:11 AM
Rokiseph, the picture, THE PICTURE PLEASE! Gouki may have a cooler meaning, but I think Akuma
sounds a lot better. Gouki sounds sort of goofy.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/25/2001 11:43:20 AM
Does the writing on Guy's outfit say War/Warrior God(Bushin)? Is Makoto's father dead or alive?
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/25/2001 11:56:12 AM
Yikes awwright I'll try and find it but remember it's not official and you'll be somewhat
disappointed...
And Yes it says Bushin Warrior God From:
RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/25/2001 12:33:27 PM
Aaaahahaha
Smash Daisaku
Now I remember that Picture!!!
Do you guys want to know what Gouki REALLY was doing?
Gouki was Selling fruit to people!!
I SWEAR
The boy had two fruits in his arms and Gouki was there taking the coins from his hands.
Gouki has to earn a living too.
Ok now I gotta look for his pre tied hair picture.
You know, I'm getting to like Gouki more and more.
OH My Gawdd!!!!
I'm reading my SFZ move book and it has a blow by blow account of Gouki VS Goutetsu
GUYS ...THIS IS OFFICIALLLLLL
Dang!&*%$!!!
I have to brush up my Jap to translate this (So far I'm reading " Hadou to Hadou no Geki Totsu"
translated as "Hadouken and Hadouken rush forth attacking" then the rest is "Fist and Fist fly
as Blood splatters all over...the relationship of Master and (second) student is brushed aside
by the [Koroshi ai} hmmm, I'll translate it as the killing moment.(actually the meeting of
killings)
Goutetsu " Gouki yo, your moves are not bad, but this is the END"
Goutetsu puts his hands together and starts to Charge his Ki.
This is the first time either students have seen the Satsui no Hadou.
In the Ki, countless Red Hot fire is being collected.
UUOOOOOOOOOO!! ~shouts Gouki, as he rushes in for the attack. And with the "Killing Intent"
puts his fist forward...
In the field...only one is left standing. It is Gouki.
Although Goutetsu has given up his last breath, on his face is a smile. On the side, is Gouken
(doing something I can't figure out).
Gouki takes from his masters body the Beads (I suppose these mark the Master of AnsatsuKen) and
wears them. Tears of blood line the face of the man who is a Shura (Ashura).
OH man I'll finish the rest later...
GASP
My brain is going...
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/25/2001 1:04:38 PM
This does mean that Gouki didn't senselessly kill Goutetsu
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/25/2001 2:54:29 PM
You're reading this out of a book, right? NOT off the net? 'cuz if you WERE reading it off the
net I would've given you something that would make translating it a lot easier.
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/25/2001 3:48:00 PM
GOlden Dragon, yep I'm reading this out of the book.
Geez, I can't sleep re-reading all these info again after all these years. Man is my memory
going.
More stuff to elaborate on later since I gotta sleep later.
Gouki did fight Gouken
and Win
As Ryu and Ken watched
But Gouki didn 't Kill Gouken
"The one withwho has been passed the arts of ansatsuken..."
said the figure as he stepped into the room
The Candle flickered
Gouken stayed still as the man in the shadows continued speaking
"Show me all your moves."
It was evident he was talking about the "Killing Moves"
Gouken opened his eyes...
Gouken : "Outside the Dojo"
....
I gotta sleep, I'll continue translating this tommorow (If I can translate it)
And Hey!!! I have the Pic of a Young Sagat!!! With HAIR!!!
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/25/2001 5:13:20 PM
Rokiseph, dude. Those pics are in the SFA instruction manual for the saturn (i think). I've
seen them both: The pic of Akuma selling fruit AND the pic of young Sagat, right eye intact and
with hair, holding a fallen opponent beside his leg. It's not like they're rare. Like, you've
probably seen the pic of Retsu with Dan and Adon with Eagle, right?
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/25/2001 5:20:11 PM
Yeah, they're in the Saturn SF Alpha 2 art gallery.
And in both strategy guides, I think.
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From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/25/2001 11:44:06 PM
Wow, seriously the way people harp on about Gouki being evil I coulda swear they never had a
chance to see pictures of Akuma selling Fruit at all. And...Ummm, I don't have Saturn heh, and
not everyone has the strategy Guides or Saturn see...
And hey anyone else with the Strategy guides?
COs it'd be great if someone could translate along with me in case I mess up...
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 7/26/2001 5:22:31 AM
Yeah RoKiSePh, I have that same strategy guide, but mine's in English so I can't help you
there... (of course, we ARE talking about the SFZ OFFICIAL Capcom Stratagy Guide, aren't we?)
What about that picture showing Adon's tattoo? I loved that one!
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From: Dragonmaster Alex | Posted: 7/26/2001 8:29:55 AM
Is it just me, or should they do a Street Fighter game or movie and just concentrate on the
relationship of Ryu, Ken, Gouken, Goutetsu, Sagat, Gouki and early characters like that instead
of all of this psycho powered madman and demi god crap? Not that I'm knocking Bison and Gill,
but the relationship between all this master/student stuff seems a bit more grounded and a lot
more interesting.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/26/2001 12:35:59 PM
The thing is, I don't have a Saturn either. I just happened to find them on line. They're
pretty easy to find.
From: iceman 13 | Posted: 7/26/2001 1:50:06 PM
I heard that Juni/Juli is T.Hawk daughter. Because he was looking for his Daughter in Super
street fighter 2. And Juli/juni one of them are native. Gen is Yun & Yang grandfather. because
if Gen son is Lee. And Lee son's are Yun & Yang. Obviously Gen and Yun and Yang are realated.
I heard that evil ryu was form when akuma and ryu were Battling. And Akuma did the Raging Demon
to ryu but he survived. But Akuma evil intent woke up ryu evil intent too.
I found site that has some backround info on street fighter.
http://www.tekken.nu/fightermania/
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/26/2001 2:23:57 PM
I've been to that site also. If you're looking for info on Street Fighter, that site is
semi-reliable. Lee IS Gen's son in the CAPCOM USA storyline, but not in the original Japanese
storyline. Gen is neither Yun and Yang's teacher nor grandfather. He and Akuma supposedly had
their final battle to the death, and since Akuma's in SF3, I think it's safe to say Gen lost.
IF I'm wrong, he's suppose to be fatally ill according Alpha 3, so he would have died anyway.
One of Yun's winning quotes is "I beat up a girl. Grandfather's gonna kill me!" Yun and Yang
WERE taught by their grandfather (according to CAPCOM USA's SF3 story line), but their
grandfather ISN'T gen. T.Hawk didn't enter the SSF2T tourney to find his lost daughter, he
entered to get back at Bison for kicking his tribe off their reservation and building a
Shadowlaw base in its' place, forcing the Thunder Foot tribe to flee to Mexico.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/26/2001 4:20:50 PM
SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT!!!!!
I'm trying to write an SF game that focuses "on the relationship of Ryu, [...] Gouken,
Goutetsu, Sagat, Gouki and early characters like that." The other early characters are Dan's
dad Go, Gen, Rose, Guy's master Zeku, Chun-Li's father Dorai, Geki and Eagle from SF1, the
young criminal Dhalsim, and Rose's and Bison's master Absinthe (also Goutetsu's sister). It's
at:
http://www.geocities.com/smartiniam/index.html
Bison's in it, but I tried to make him take a back seat like he did in Alpha 1.
If you have any comments, you can make them on the New Pre-SF1 Fanfic topic on the social
board.
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/26/2001 7:54:22 PM
RoKiSePh
What does this SFZ Strategy Book says about that picture with Vega holding Rose and Rose with
Vega's hat?
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/27/2001 11:57:12 AM
hIYEE I'm bacck
Okay Golden Dragon, I suppose I never looked for them on the net before so I didn't know %^)
Then again I never really looked up for lot's of SF info on the net...
Adon's Tattoo, hmmm I can't see it, but I can see the illustrators sketch of Birdie's Tattoo!!!
Transformerssss
More than meets the Eye
Hey are they ever going to bring Titan back to fight alongside Birdie?
Rose...Hmmm, they don't say anything about her holding the hat, and they also don't say
anything about the Vega holding Rose scene (OMG is Vega's hand THAT big to grip her entire
waist?)They are just there under the respective character's pages.
Anyways, Rose was remembering her "Master"s advice about soulpower, and his predictin that she
will go into battle, so I'm guessing here Vega wasn't Rose's master.
Other than that she really is mysterious isn't she...
I really want to know more about her past, but until Capcom opens their mouth.,...
hmmmm, BBL
From: Ryu Hoshi | Posted: 7/27/2001 12:24:12 PM
Does anyone know who Ryu's father is?
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From: ProTect | Posted: 7/27/2001 1:56:33 PM
The Alpha anime strongly implied that Akuma is Ryu's father, but that's unofficial. Officially,
Ryu is still an orphan of unknown parentage.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/27/2001 2:44:08 PM
Nah, Bison HAS to be Rose's master. I understand what you're saying about her remembering her
master's words, but maybe she was thinking of Bison's words BEFORE he was corrupted and started
using psycho power. Plus, Rose even says bison was once her master during her SFZ3 ending.
From: ProTect | Posted: 7/27/2001 2:50:10 PM
Isn't it possible that Rose had a master before Bison became her master?
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From: Ryu Hoshi | Posted: 7/27/2001 3:19:37 PM
Heh, Gouki, Ryu's Father? Sounds like Star Wars. I really hope Gouki is NOT his father.
I gotta know if Dhalsim, Blanka, Zangief, E.Honda, or even M.Bison (Balrog) had any
instructors, relatives, or even a storyline character that came before them.
And was Sheng Long ever officially created by Capcom? Storywise I mean.
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/27/2001 3:47:16 PM
RoKiSePh
A pity that they don't say anything about that picture... it really seems that Vega was
crushing Rose's waist... About his hand being big... well it is, look at the fist picture of
his ending in SFZ2.... his hand is bigger than Ryu's head...
And what about Vega? Does in this book tells any info about him?
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/27/2001 5:48:55 PM
Ryu Hoshi,
read my post on page 22 to find out 'bout Sheng Long.
"I gotta know if Dhalsim, Blanka, Zangief, E.Honda, or even M.Bison (Balrog) had any
instructors, relatives, or even a storyline character that came before them."
Only M.Bison (Balrog) has a story line character that came before him. It's rumored that Mike
from the original Street Fighter is suppose to be an early version of him, since the M in
M.Bison stands for Mike: MIKE Bison. Get it?
From: Haruo | Posted: 7/27/2001 5:55:32 PM
Rumored? I thought it was a fact.
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From: Ryu Hoshi | Posted: 7/27/2001 8:13:49 PM
Yeah I know about Mike. What I meant, was did he have an instructor? Did any of them?
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From: Ryu Hoshi | Posted: 7/27/2001 8:20:30 PM
*reads p.22* Yeah, I already read that on some other vieogame site. I know about the Joke too.
But why does Ryu mention him? Was he ever actually mentioned by Capcom of Japan? Or was Ryu
refering to his Dragon Punch?
Btw, Sheng Long means something like "Holy Dragon" in Chinese.
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From: Ryu Hoshi | Posted: 7/27/2001 8:22:59 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask. How is it that Gen is able to survive the Shungokusatsu, but
Goutsetsu is not?
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From: Dragonmaster Alex | Posted: 7/27/2001 9:34:45 PM
More than likely Ryu was referring to his Dragon Punch, and not any character of some sort.
Saiki said Gen was able to survive the Instant Hell Murder because he could clear his mind or
something to that effect.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/27/2001 10:07:26 PM
Okay, so Gen SURVIVED the Raging Demon, but he must've died anyways due to his fatal illness,
correct? You're not saying he's still alive, are you?
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/27/2001 10:08:26 PM
Btw, Where's Saiki? From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/27/2001 10:46:59 PM hERE for a quick while..
Okay Goutetsu wasn't able to withstand it because he simply wasn't prepared for it, he was in
the midst of doing his Satsui no Hadouken, roughly speaking.
But he died happy anyway, with a smile on his face, he's actually Happy Gouki knew how to do
it i.e. the art is not lost. (Since Gouken probably would NEVER teach it to anyone.)
Yes there is a story on Vega, a big spoiler thingy, but I'm still trying to translate it,
letting the cat out of the bag I gotta say that he ever approached Gouken to learn about the
ansatsuken. I suspect this happened after Gouken's match with Gouki. And, I'm still pondering
if Gouken survived his encounter with Vega. (Darn I REALLY have to brush up on my Jap.someone
help meeeeee)
From: Ryu Hoshi | Posted: 7/27/2001 11:06:24 PM
What is Satsui no Hadouken?
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From: Ryu Hoshi | Posted: 7/27/2001 11:20:30 PM
Damn, I hate to double post, but I just have a couple more questions:
Who started Interpol?
How did Vega come to create Shadaloo?
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/28/2001 12:39:16 AM
RoKiSePh
I'll be so glad if you could translate Vega's story for me.
Very glad.
From: hayatokanzaki16 | Posted: 7/28/2001 12:49:50 AM
Alot of questions and very
few answers?
Btw if anyone wants to know
the long storyline just email me
at :anime_otaku24@hotmail.com
Im currently kinda on my DC
<since MSn really messed somethin
up ,so im on my DC>
ill finish writing the complete
SF storyline fanfic.
To that it make take some time
From: SiLeNT J | Posted: 7/28/2001 5:21:00 PM
Who owned the SF tourney before Vega?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/28/2001 7:15:02 PM
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/29/2001 10:31:38 AM
NO ONE Really OWNS the street fighter tournaments, per se. Instead, there are sponsors. For
example, SHADOWLAW sponsored the 2nd Street Fighter Tourney. Gill(Who commands much influence
and power in the world)sponsored the 3rd SF tourney. It was Sagat's decision to open the
world-wide martial arts tournament that is SF1. BTW, If Retsu WASN'T a STUDENT of Gouken, then
why does he fight similar to Ryu and Ken?
From: Atlmalichi | Posted: 7/29/2001 9:33:12 PM
What is Ken and Ryu's purpose in Street Fighter 3?
Seems to me like everyone in the tournament are for the most part unworthy scrubs and teenagers
with the exception of Dudley, Alex, Urien, Chun li, Akuma, and Oro.
Also, Who beat Dee Jay and Fei long in street fighter 2? Dee jay was the top ranked character
in Super Street Fighter tournaments back in 94. I thought he would have at least made it to the
finals along with fei long.
And How did Dudley fair in the third strike tournament. To me hes a better character than Alex
all around, especially with his anti air fierce straight punch and rolling thunder super.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/29/2001 11:45:06 PM
I heard Ken beat Fei Long and I believe Zangief beat Dee Jay. I could be wrong, though.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/29/2001 11:49:07 PM
Oh yeah, I heard Dudley was beaten by Urien. Ryu joined the SF3 tourney for his usual reason.
Ken entered to fight Ryu again. It's pretty much the same as SF2. I also heard they were put in
the SF3 series as a result of popular demand.
From: bisoeese | Posted: 7/29/2001 11:52:03 PM
wheres balrog?
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From: Atlmalichi | Posted: 7/30/2001 8:48:49 AM
I can see how a powerhouse character like Zangief could win, because he has moves for almost
every situation despite his size and speed. Urien seems a lot weaker than Dudley, it must be
because of the way i use him.
But anyway's, How did Ryu and Ken fare in third strike and who won between the two of them if
they fought each other? And How come one of them didn't win the tournament instead of big slow
Alex. Ill assume Alex beat Hugo since they are rivals. And also, how did the other characters
do in the third strike Tourney?
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/30/2001 11:55:26 AM
I wish I knew, but I'm not really sure how well each character did in the tourney, although I
do know what happened to Balrog. He was able to defeat lesser opponents but eventually lost to
Ryu, I think. Defeated once again, Balrog quit Shadowlaw and returned to Las Vegas, in hopes of
finding some other way to return to the ring. Personally, I believe he eventually ended up a
broke-ass drunk.
From: Dragoff | Posted: 7/30/2001 12:57:50 PM
How do you guys know all this stuff? Just wondering.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/30/2001 1:27:24 PM
If you read the earlier posts, you'll know who Saiki is. The guy's a genius in the World of
Street Fighter. He knows Japanese, therefore he's able to read OFFICIAL CAPCOM fan books and
mangas which contain most of the Japanese(true)Street Fighter story line. Plus he does a lot of
other research and is friends with a guy from CAPCOM of Japan. I also do a lot of research on
SF, but because he has access to the Japanese material, he knows a lot more than most people do
on Street Figher. The US story line's almost COMPLETELY different from the true one. It's
contradictory and leaves out BIG parts of the original story when brought over to the US. The
reason why the US story line's like that is because of mis-translations. Capcom USA is
completely incompetent when it comes to story line translations. Hope that answers your
question.
From: DanKetch | Posted: 7/30/2001 6:15:47 PM
Y'know GD, that explains a whole lot of why SF storylines never made any real sense.
I mean oy, if that's true did they actually explain SFZ/SFA3 in any way that makes sense(aside
from Guile's ending being the true ending for Charlie)...I'm meaning the whole Bison dying
constantly yet holding the SF2 tournament.
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From: DForce | Posted: 7/30/2001 6:52:39 PM
Most people seem to be forgetting that the Zero/Alpha series takes place BETWEEN Street Fighter
1 and Street Fighter 2. After Capcom put out Zero 3, they just threw an already off-balance
story completely off the scale. Have a nice day!
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From: DForce | Posted: 7/30/2001 6:55:23 PM
Here's how the SF Timeline goes. Note that this is only an estimation of the real storyline, so
feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong.
Street Fighter 1
Street Fighter Alpha
Street Fighter 2
Super Street Fighter
Street Fighter 3
That's to the best of my knowledge how the series goes.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/30/2001 8:19:00 PM
Yeah, DFORCE has the right idea. Since Slam Masters, Final Fight and Street Fighter co-exist.
I'll list the complete the timeline:
Slammasters/Muscle Bomber {Haggar was a wrestler}
Ring of Destruction {Haggar still a wrestler}
Street Fighter/Final Fight (Haggar is now the Mayor)
Final Fight 2/Street Fighter Alpha 1&2(Guy wasn't in
FF2 because he was chasing down Bison)
Final Fight 3
Rival Schools
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter 2
Street Fighter 3
Because Street Fighter Alpha 1 & 2 basically run
off the same plot, they're considered one game, story
wise. There is no difference, really. You probably
noticed how each character holds the same grudge in
alpha 2 as they did in alpha 1.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/30/2001 8:21:48 PM
Btw, these are the events that DID occur during SFA3:
Rose did fight Bison. Guy came and rescued her after.
Exhausted and badly wounded from the battle, Rose died
soon after. Ryu was taken over by Bison. Believe it
or not, Ken and Sakura brought him back to his normal
self. Bison ran away after facing Ryu, Ken and Sakura.
All 13 soldiers(Cammy, Juli, Juli, etc.) turned on
M.Bison. Cammy was nearly killed. Vega rescued her
(like in his SFA3 ending) and placed her in front of
Delta Red HQ. He didn't turn against Bison and neither
did Balrog. M.Bison faced Guile and Charlie in his
base. The base started to explode and Charlie
continued fighting so Guile and Chun Li could escape.
He died, Bison survived.
SF2's story line:
M.Bison sets up a tournament because he wants to get
back at Ryu, Ken, Chunli and Guile. Sagat enters to
get his re-match against Ryu. I think he used the
tournament also as an attempt to lure Gouki out of
hiding.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 7/30/2001 8:58:22 PM
Golden Dragon
I don't think that Vega/Bison was trying to lure Gouki from his hideout to fight with him.
I always thought that SF2 till SSF2 never hapened. Only SSF2T when Gouki first appeared.
And Gouki wanted to fight against Ryu and Ken, because they were Gouken's students....
specially Ryu.
Remember that in SSF2T US version, Gouki doesn't have a storyline, it was erased by US Capcom...
now if you play the japanese version of the game, you'll see that he has an ending text,
winning quotes and he says something after killing Vega with the Shungokusatsu before facing
you. Does anyone knows what he says? I mean from the JAPANESE text.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/30/2001 9:45:52 PM
*SIGH* Lord Vega Bison. LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING. I never said bison lured out Akuma to FIGHT
HIM. I MEANT THAT M.BISON LURED OUT AKUMA IN HOPES OF HAVING HIM JOIN SHADOWLAW, OKAY? I think
I need to rephrase what I MEANT to say in my last post. I didn't think I had to be so damn
specific. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE SF2 SERIES(SF2WW-SSF2T)IS ONE SINGLE EVENT? TREAT THEM
LIKE THEY'RE ALL ONE EVENT, OKAY? WHEN I SAY SF2, I MEAN THE WHOLE DANG SERIES. It's all one
game, right??? so why do I have to say SSF2T, or SF2!? It DOESN'T MATTER! WHEN I SAY SF2, I
MEAN THE 2ND WORLD WARRIORS TOURNEY AS A WHOLE. THE SF2'S (SF2-SSF2T) ARE ALL ONE SINGLE GAME,
STORY WISE. IT'S ALL ONE EVENT. IT ALL TOOK PLACE AT ONE TIME, K!? I'm sorry if I wasn't
specific enough. Don't take it personally, dude. But I hate having to be so specific ALL THE
TIME!
From: Kato | Posted: 7/30/2001 9:57:17 PM
Can somebody please tell me who trained Dhalsim?
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From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/30/2001 10:43:21 PM
Hi just popping in for a while (busy busy busy)
Dhalsim is self trained.
Yoga and improving his inner being and all that
(And no he wasn't a Biogen Doctor)
Bye Popping out again.
Lord Vega Bison sorry i'll get back to your Vega translation soon enough...
From: bisoeese | Posted: 7/30/2001 10:53:12 PM
They should put Hugo and Zangief together on a game
that would seriously own
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/31/2001 11:49:37 AM
About Gen and the shotos using the same art:
You guys are saying Gen uses a "variation" of Ansatsuken, but it's NOTHING like Ryu and Ken's
Ansatsuken. Not that I don't believe you, but how is it even a VARIATION? There are NO
resemblances whatsoever. Ya can't tell me that this is merely a "variation." It's absolutely
NOTHING like Goutetsu's version of Ansatsuken. If there are some resemblances that I might've
missed, please let me know. Plus, If CAPCOM USA changed the name of Ryu/Ken's martial art to
Ansatsuken so that it's more accessible to the American public, then why wasn't Gen's
Ansatsuken changed also?
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 7/31/2001 1:50:56 PM
Back again,
Hmmm Golden Dragon
Okay Ansatsuken is a Generic Term that translates to "Murderous Fist" but it actually means any
martial art that is Very Hard. Hard means it goes for the offense, for the kill. Unlike Aikido
or Judo.
This ansatsuken Goutetsu developed was a Karate variation.
Gen's variation is based on Chinese martial arts i.e the Souryuu and Kiryuu.
Both are Martial arts developed to kill, therefore they are both Ansatsuken.
Maybe one way to see this is from just one move from each variation.
Gouki has the Shun Goku Satsu - A move meant to Kill, hitting the vital points to destroy your
body (not just injure like in the game, after all it won't be fun to use SGS once and have the
game finish in 2 seconds.And anyway Gouki was pulling punches.)
Similarly, Gen has the Shi Ten Shou under the Souryuu move. This move Hits various vital points
on your body to ultimately make your body slowly die.
Both are moves that were designed to Kill. Not injure. There are probably other ansatsuken out
there, just...not in SF yet.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 7/31/2001 6:35:34 PM
Hmmm, thanks Seph. That makes a lot more sense.
From: servbot41 | Posted: 8/1/2001 4:06:28 AM
i heard that those mini skulls on dhalsim's necklace are the skulls of his dead children...
saiki, can you confirm, please? thank you.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/1/2001 12:05:42 PM
Yiie...I know I don't know as much as Saiki, but I think I can handle this one. You're half
right. Yes, Those ARE the skulls of children, but NOT DHALSIM's children. His is only child is
his son, Datta.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/1/2001 3:49:38 PM
I'm guessing most of you have seen a certain pic of a young Chun-li performing a kata with an
older, bearded man? Is that man her father or Gen? I think it's Chun-li's father, but I wanna
know 4 sure.
From: Saiki | Posted: 8/1/2001 6:09:19 PM
wow, lots have been going on since I've been gone. Sorry about not being around for a while,
I've been busy writing the faq up. Slowly but it'll get there(I write bad so it takes me a long
time to make a story). But Golden Dragon and Roki have pretty much covered it for me.
Oh and Golden Dragon, that pic your talking about. That is Gen. Gen and Chunli's dad knew each
other. I don't know how but they did. Anyways, Gen did teach Chunli a *little* bit. She only
incorporated one move that Gen taught her though. Her low Hard Kick, it's name is
"Gendenansatsusyuu". The 3rd Strike version is the same one Gen used in SF1.
From: ProTect | Posted: 8/1/2001 6:16:07 PM
Well, she actually has that same crouching Roundhouse in every game, I think, including Alpha
2, where she doesn't even seem to know who Gen is! That's why I always figured Chun-Li's dad
knew Gen and learned the move from him, and then taught it to Chun-Li.
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From: Haruo | Posted: 8/1/2001 6:21:03 PM
Maybe she DID know him, but Capcom USA messed with the translations again?
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/1/2001 6:21:55 PM
RoKiSePh
That's ok man, take your time, but please, don't forget it.
Golden Dragon
I apologise for my last post.
As for that Chun-Li's picture, well I also think that it's her father, but I'm not sure, It
could be her WusShu master.
And those skulls on Dhalsim's neck, I read on a magazine (I think it was the rpg, can't
remember) that it was skulls of children that were victims of terrorists in India.
But I also heard that it could be monkeys skulls, but I really doubt it...
BTW, does anyone knows what's the name of the doctor that appeared in SFZ2 Vega's ending and
SF2: The Animated Movie?
I think that his name is Ichiara or Ichiaru. Can someone confirm it for me, please?
From: ProTect | Posted: 8/1/2001 6:25:59 PM
Did they mess with the Alpha 2 Gen vs. Chun-Li dialogue? It seems kind of empty, just Chun-Li
asking for help and Gen making a somewhat out-of-character crack about her father.
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From: Haruo | Posted: 8/1/2001 6:32:39 PM
Wasn't the prof's name Senoh? God, I hate that little bastard...
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/1/2001 6:51:19 PM
Gen taught her a *little* bit. Gen mainly taught Chunli's dad. The guy in that picture is not
Chunli's dad, that's for sure though. Gen doesn't remember Chunli because this was before Gen
went into the road of an assasin. And Chunli doesn't remember Gen because she was a small kid.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/2/2001 2:12:49 PM
Sweeeeet. Lots of posts. Seemed like conversation was dying down these past few days. Thanks
for answering my question, Saiki. Don't apologize Lord Vega Bison...that was pretty stupid of
me. That's GEN with Chun-li? Hmmm, believable. I had thought it was Dourai only 'cuz I didn't
think Gen knew Chun-li. Plus, I didn't think Dourai's 2V physical appearance was official, so
I thought it varied. About the SKULLS around Dhalsim's neckbone. I thought those children died
from starvation, due to India's extreme poverty or something. Monkey Skulls, eh? Heheh. I've
seen monkey skulls before, and those don't look like monkey skulls to me. Is Chun-li's official
last name Xiang? PEACE for now, everybody.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/2/2001 2:32:22 PM
I'm pretty sure you're right, Haruo. His name's Senoh. Btw, is "Senoh" how you pronounce "Snow"
in Japanese? Just wondering...
From: Haruo | Posted: 8/2/2001 6:35:20 PM
I thought "yuki" was Jap for snow, but I guess the Romaji version (if there is one) would be
"su-no." If it's not don't flame me! I don't want this to turn out like the other thread.
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/2/2001 8:56:56 PM
You're right Haruo. "yuki" is how you say snow in japanese and it'd be "suno" in romaji.
Oh yeah, those skulls on Dhalsim's neck are the skulls of kids that died of starvation.
From: Beast | Posted: 8/2/2001 10:56:26 PM
I might have missed it before, so Saiki...Sagat is like an honorable dude and all? Cause you
said he let Dan win so he wouldn't be corrupted right? So how come he seems sorta evil? And
what is the deal with Oro? Is he stronger than Gouki? And did he decide to train Ryu? And what
is Oro's past?
Thanks!
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/2/2001 11:18:32 PM
The best way to describe Sagat is by comparison. Sagat is like Venom from Marvel or Saito
Hajime from Kenshin.
Oro is most likely stronger than Gouki and Oro really isn't training Ryu. It's more like using
Ryu for his amusement.
From: Seth0708 | Posted: 8/3/2001 12:15:53 AM
Wasn't the evil doctor's name Sotor?
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From: Beast | Posted: 8/3/2001 12:54:25
AM DAYAAAAAAM...so then the ultimate dude is Oro huh? Is Oro stronger than Gill? Is Gouki
stronger than Gill? And what is Oro's alignment? Is he good or evil? And he is using Ryu? In
what way? Just to toy with him to see how powerful he is?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/3/2001 10:14:06 PM
Heheh. Beast, take it easy. One question at a time, please. Btw I asked this question on page
34 but no one answered, so I'll post it again: Is "Xiang" Chun-li's official last name or is it
only in SF2V? Which Andore was Hugo in final fight??? I'm pretty sure there wasn't an H.Andore.
From: KingOfStreetFighters | Posted: 8/3/2001 11:28:45 PM
I remember Saiki mentioned that Rival Schools is in a different universe from Street Fighter. I
just wanna know why he thinks that. Rival Schools seems to fit into the Street Fighter
storyline nicely.
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/4/2001 10:39:39 AM
The doctor's name is Senoh.
Beast
I'm just assuming Oro is stronger than Gouki considering he's not even moved by Gouki or Ryu's
power. Oro is using Ryu because he ammuses him. Oro has lived so long that he's bored everyday.
Ryu's the only one that actually caught his attention recently.
Golden Dragon
No, Xiang isn't Chunli's last name. Hugo was the pink Andore in Final Fight.
KOSF
Rival Schools fits in the SF universe perfectly. The only problem is one thing. SFZ took place
in the late 1980's. Which would mean that Rival Schools should take place in the 1980's as well.
But in the intro for Batsu, Hinata, Kyosuke, it says 199X. If it wasn't for that I'd say they
do.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/4/2001 12:28:36 PM
Yo Saiki! It's good to see you again!
Where do you know that the doctor's name is Senoh. I don't remember they telling it in the SF2
Anime movie (at least not in the dubbed Portuguese version).
Rival School's intro says 199X (just like Mega Man's intro, but it's 20XX). I always thought
that SFZ3 was in 1990. Since SF1 was in 1987, SFZ1 could be in 1998, SFZ2 in 1989 and SFZ3 in
1990. Also the SF2 series started in 1991.
But I could be wrong....
I have just seen Gill's ending in SF3 - 3rd Strike and he says some biblic things like: 2000
years was too much...
I will finish the mission that my predecesor started....
and those Paradise things..... he look's like Jesus talking that way... What's the truth behind
Gill? And the name of his cute ^_^ secretary.
From: ProTect | Posted: 8/4/2001 2:50:30 PM
His secretary's name is Kolin. It's in Dudley's DI endings.
I think Gill is from some secret civilization and is destined in some prophecy they have to be
a sort of messiah figure for them. I assume in his 3S ending he's leading everyone else on
earth to the island where his people live.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/4/2001 7:11:41 PM
Lord Vega Bison, Bison's scientist IS named Senoh. I'm pretty sure Protect's right about Gill's
secretary's name being Kolin. I'm gonna try to explain Gill's origins. Please correct me if I'm
wrong, k?
Little is known 'bout Gill other than he controls a powerful secret society which has ruled
nearly all underworld activites worldwide for thousands of years. He commands much influence
and power in the world. The society's objective is to make Earth into a Utopian society. Every
24 years, a new president of this circle is chosen from the children of 1024 groups of
specialists. Based on various fortune-telling and witch craft, a few of these children are
picked to be trained and educated in all forms of Earth culture. Gill was selected as the
newest president, and he embraced his role fully as a leader of the order. Gill is a master of
many different martial arts and is also highly intelligent, but is also power-hungry. Gill
hosted the third World Warriors tournament on his hidden island as a way of financing his entry
into the global arena of politics. He also wanted to test his skills against the best fighters
in the world.
From: MLai | Posted: 8/4/2001 7:26:41 PM
I think Gill has been the leader for more than just 24 years. Isn't he immortal and at least
1000 years old?
I think Gill's organization controls more than "underworld activities". His organization is
more than a criminal organization. It is also a religious organization and the remnant of an
ancient advanced civilization.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/4/2001 9:44:04 PM
Yeah, you're probably right, but I never said it was CRIMINAL organization, I said it was the
organization's mission to make Earth into a Utopian Society. He claims to be a god of sorts,
but not many people believe him. He tries to pass himself off as the 2nd coming.
From: Kato | Posted: 8/5/2001 9:33:54 AM
I've got a few questions:
How does Ken's dad know Gouken? Is Gouki Ryu's Father? And how old is Mel?
The softest thing cannot be snapped. - Bruce Lee
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/5/2001 10:53:24 AM
CAPCOM never explains how Ken's parents know Gouken(I don't think). All they say is that his
parents are good friends of Gouken's. It's NOT official that Gouki is Ryu's father, but it's
strongly suggested(is suggested the wrong word?)by the Alpha OAV. I could be wrong, but I
believe/heard Mel is 5 or 6 during the SF3 series(SF3:NG-SF3:3S).
From: ProTect | Posted: 8/5/2001 3:14:12 PM
Maybe Capcom USA screwed up the text again (though I don't think so, judging by the pics), but
in Urien's Second Impact ending, the elders of Gill's society make Urien the president. Then
they introduce him to the Emperor (Gill), whose existence for HUNDREDS OF YEARS has been known
only to the President and a few others.
Of course, it's possible the OFFICE of Emperor has existed that long in secret with different
people in the position, but it's implied that Gill himself has been the Emperor all that time.
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From: Kato | Posted: 8/6/2001 2:02:20 PM
*bump*
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/7/2001 1:13:21 PM
Does anyone know how old Guy was in SFZ3? It doesn't have to be exact but could someone please
give me an Idea? I think he was in his early 20's at the time.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/7/2001 5:16:20 PM
IMO, Gill has been the President (or even Empereor) for much more than 24 years....
In one of his Winning Quotes he says: "Two centuries... A mere blink upon the face of
eternity..." So I guess that he has been in control of that organization for 200 years, or that
is his age.... but I think that this was a mistake with the translation, I think that he meant
Two millennium....... since in his ending he says: "2000 years was too long."
To Golden Dragon
I'm not sure. But I'll see with one of my friends if he has Guy's age. I'll e-mail him and wait
for the answer.... But I can't guarantee....
From: Gouki of Borg | Posted: 8/7/2001 6:59:53 PM
Saiki, you are the living end.
Can you clear a few things up for me:
1. I read somewhere that in the 'official' story (as opposed to any of the games) that Adon and
Dan die. It said that Dan was actually killed by Sagat during his attempt to avenge his father.
Adon was killed by Sagat in another battle, allegedly. What a downer. Can you confirm this?
2. Zero 1 and Zero 2 are simply remakes of each other, right? Meaning they are the same story,
told a different way?
3. Someone in an earlier post said not all of the endings actually happened. Which one's did?
And when Vega/Bison captured Ryu in his ending in SFA2, did that happen? And if so, how did he
escape?
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/7/2001 9:31:47 PM
Gouki of Borg
3rd Question: In my opinion.... Vega (Bison)'s SFZ3 ending was the one that happened, followed
by Guile/Nash ending. But this is only my opinion. I remember when SSF2 (1993) came out, a
magazine released a poster with a shord story of the characters, and Vega's story says that he
had caused a huge destruction in the world some years ago... My theory is that Vega captured
Ryu and put him into the Psycho Drive.... with that he used that energy beam to destroy a city
(It wasn't HK). Although he didn't need Ryu to do that... but with this, Ryu's evil side was
expelled from his body, and he was free from the Satsui No Hadou energy. Then Nash/Guile ending
happened... The Shadaloo base was bombarded... Nash and Vega fought and Nash lost his live when
the base blew up.... Guile rescued Ryu while Nash and Vega battles... Remember this is only a
theory.
I also thinks that Nash's death should be the one from SFZ1.... but...
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/7/2001 11:25:48 PM
duuuuude...
http://www.cammyfan.com/Cammy-info/fan-fics/cammyclones.gif
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/8/2001 11:04:41 AM
WOW GOLDEN DRAGON!!! That's REALLY cool! Those are all of the kidapped girls that Bison made
into his super soldiers!
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/8/2001 11:17:29 AM
You got it, Warrior. I guess this kick-ass pic backs up what Saiki said 'bout Noembelu being
the real girl T.Hawk was searching for, huh? Here's an in-game picture of the Shadowlaw dolls
(Juli/Juni's intro):
http://www.cammyfan.com/Cammy-info/fan-fics/dolls-intro.gif
Btw, what's up with that Decapre chick???
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/8/2001 11:22:48 AM
Maybe's she's Bison's evil psyche! Maybe all of the dolls are actually parts of Bison's psyche
and each one has a different element or emotion given to them by the psycho drive's power!
Who knows?
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KOF 2000
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/8/2001 2:10:26 PM
Could be.
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/8/2001 5:58:39 PM
Gouki of Borg
1) Neither Dan or Adon are dead. Dan actually defeated Sagat because Sagat let him. And Adon is
still the reigning Muay Thai champion.
2) Yes
3) Zero2 - Ryu's ending happenned
Ken's ending happenned
Chunli's ending happenned
Adon's ending happenned
Sagat's ending happenned(except the fighting Ryu part didn't)
Birdie's ending happenned(except Birdie didn't defeat Vega)
Guy's ending happenned(except he didn't fight Vega)
Nash's ending didn't happen
Rose's ending happenned
Vega's ending happenned
Gouki's ending happenned
Dan's ending happenned
Zangief's ending happenned
Sakura's ending happenned
Zero3
Rose fought Vega and was nearly killed. Guy saved her. Vega brought out Ryu. Ryu did turn into
Psycho Ryu NOT Satsui no Ryu. He was just mind controlled by Vega. Ken, Sakura and Sagat fought
Vega+Psycho Ryu together. Ryu was turned back to normal. Vega ran. Cammy and 12 elite soldiers
turned against Vega. They were all nearly killed. Cammy was saved by Balrog. Noembelu was saved
by T Hawk(that's who it was supposed to be instead of Juni). Then it's Guile's ending.
Zangief, Honda, Dan and Blanka did go into Vega's base and did cause some destruction.
BTW, this is only my personal theory but I think Decapre is from Gill's organization.
From: Columbo | Posted: 8/9/2001 5:58:21 AM
Saiki: Is it true that Gokui killed Vega in SSF2:Turbo with a Raging Demon, that's why Vega
isn't in SF3?
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From: AngelKen | Posted: 8/9/2001 6:17:37 AM
thats the only proof we got of bison being dead
From: hayatokanzaki16 | Posted: 8/9/2001 7:14:19 AM
True Bison may be dead.But remember his
energy needs to find a host.
<just as a virus needs one to survive.>
At the same time of SF3 Gill is now owner of
Shadoloo.<or was>
Currently CVS2 may have tie-ins since it will
be more recent.
Of course its a side story.
Yet Bison's human soul is gone.The psyche
is still out there somewhere waiting to be
with someone or something.
If u also think along the lines,remember in SFA 3
where if u win with Evil Ryu u get his ending
but to Ryu's he finally controls that evil urge.
Possibly in SFIV that may be undone .
If so alot of classics will get a new look.
Who knows maybe Ryu might be a final boss,
or Satsui No Hadou.
Along with CVS2 ,I wouldnt believe Gouki
would lend his power to Rugal .
Since Orochi is brother to Gouki's power.
If its final form is shown,that could be
the final boss in CVS2.
I am currently writing a fanfic on all
original boss storylines.
allbeit SNK's or Capcom's.
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Now wasnt Gill cheezy?
Reminds ya of Krizalid dont it?
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/9/2001 12:31:35 PM
This goes out to HATAYATOKANZAKI and many many others who believe the versus/cross-over games
are part of SF's time/story line: Stop and think 'bout it. The cross-overs and versus games
have NOTHING to do with the normal SF series. They NEVER HAPPENED, that's why they're called
CROSS-OVERS. Just like comic book cross-overs, they DON'T TAKE PLACE for REAL. They're
specials, they're almost an "alternate reality!" They AREN'T PART OF THE SF SERIES! THEY DIDN'T
REALLY HAPPEN! For example: Tekken Tag DIDN'T REALLY TAKE PLACE. IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL EVENT IN
TEKKEN'S STORY/TIME LINE. Namco created the game to keep fans entertained while they awaited
Tekken 4(which is looking REALLY good, by the way!). TEKKEN TAG ISN'T TEKKEN 4, Just like the
VERSUS/CROSS-OVERS AREN'T Street Fighter sequels.
"At the same time of SF3 Gill is now owner of Shadoloo."
Gill isn't and never was an owner of Shadoloo. Gill is the president/emperor of his own
society/organization.
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From: Columbo | Posted: 8/9/2001 8:43:37 PM
Well since Bison isn't around in SF3, who's in control of Shadowloo?
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From: bisoeese | Posted: 8/9/2001 9:17:15 PM
im pretty sure its that mad scientist who created that cyborg
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From: Xero Kaiser | Posted: 8/9/2001 9:21:23 PM
I thought shadowloo was destroyed?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/9/2001 10:02:10 PM
Yeah, Shadowlaw HAS been destroyed. It's been done with since the 2nd World Warriors
Tournament. Shadowlaw HQ's in ruins. The Shadowlaw crime sydnicate died along with Bison.
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From: servbot41 | Posted: 8/9/2001 11:09:07 PM
Is it true that Capcom will discontinue the Street Fighter III series? i hope not! we still
don't know a lot about Q!
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From: Xero Kaiser | Posted: 8/9/2001 11:21:40 PM
Big deal. Q is lame, and the rest of SF3 ain't so hot either
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/10/2001 11:23:40 AM
You said it, Xero. SF3 was one of the most disappointing video game sequels I've ever played.
What a waste. That game lacks continuity BIG time.
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From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/10/2001 5:32:49 PM
Humm... On SF3: The New Generations, you can see Vega's scientist Senoh on Necro's stage....
perhaps, he decided to join Gill's organization after the fall of Shadaloo.
From: Kato | Posted: 8/10/2001 5:41:24 PM
Does Capcom say anything about the SFers having jobs? I mean I know characters like Fei,
Dhalsim, Guile, Chun Li, etc., have jobs, but what about characters like Ryu, and Guy? Are they
just bums?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/11/2001 12:03:12 PM
Ryu doesn't have a job other than the job he assigned to himself, and that's to find out the
answer to "What is the meaning of a true warrior?" Guy's job is being a crime fighter, 'cuz
that's basically what he does(fight crime). "When a threat to the world rises, so will the
shadow of Bushin."
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From: servbot41 | Posted: 8/11/2001 12:44:42 PM
Xero and Golden Dragon, you both must be HUGE fans of the Marvel Vs. series.
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From: Columbo | Posted: 8/12/2001 7:39:28 AM
Eh I liked SF3, it was something different, got rid of a lot of old faces and replaced 3/4th
of the cast (kudos Capcom) so it was a refreshing change.
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From: SuperVeggitto | Posted: 8/12/2001 7:51:02 AM
Now only if they would've given us closure on the other characters... sure we can say it's only
a fighting game, but doesn't anyone want to know if or how Ryu got over his Dark Hado? And what
about him and Akuma's rivalry in SF3? Seems like that might've taken a backseat...
It was a nice change of pace though, but I think Capcom neglects that fans like a good story
for their favorite character... adds dimensions to them...
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Sie: "Maybe Robert Garcia after one too many cocaine-laced pixie sticks." - Sie and Shingo
meeting Dan in Nightmare Symbiosis.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/12/2001 11:39:11 AM
Tell me 'bout it. There was zero closure.
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From: Kato | Posted: 8/12/2001 5:31:04 PM
I was reading some of the earlier posts in this topic, and I have a few questions:
1) If Retsu is a fallen monk, could he possibly have any kind of story with Dhalsim?
2) Ryu returned and found blood all over the place, and Gouken and Ojousan were gone. Well if
Gouken and Ojousan dissapeared at the temple where he fought Gouki, how did Ryu return and find
blood everywhere? Did he return home, or to the temple?
3) Is it possible that Garuda could be Vega's teacher? Or one of the students that Vega trained
with?
4) How old was Nuah Kahn when Sagat defeated him?
5) Is Gouki Ryu's father?
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From: Tevor the Third | Posted: 8/12/2001 8:51:34 PM
Wow, I just read through all 39 pages... my head hurts. You know it's funny reading so much
about fighting game storylines without a single mention of SNK! ^_^ Kidding, kidding....
Anyhow I have a question to throw out for all of you! Here it is: I want to know if it's true
the Haggard and Zangeif are old rivals from back in Haggards wrestling days. See the way I've
always heard it was that they were rivals(duh ^_^) and that after many battles Zangeif decided
to adopt Haggards Spinning Clothesline and add it to his repatoir(improved of course ^_^)
because he saw it as a worthy move. Haggard, seriously pissed from having his move lifted from
him, decided to get back at 'Geif by stealing his signature move, the Spinning Pile Driver.
So is there any truth to that?
Also, could somebody explain the SF3 story line to me? I've very limited understanding as to
how any of it works out, be it motivation of the characters or whatever else.
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/12/2001 11:50:47 PM
Kato
1) Probably none. Dhalsim is a Yoga monk while Retsu is a Bukyou monk.
2) Ryu returned to the temple/home that he was trained in. Think of the temple that was in the
Zero OVA
3) No. Because Garuda was made by Arika. The characters that Arika make have nothing to do with
the actual SF storyline. The EX series is in a whole different universe
4) 40~50
5) Maybe. Capcom probably won't make this clear any time soon. I hope not though
Trevor
Haggar and Zangief are rivals but they've never fought each other. They both know each other
but have never met in person. Both Haggar and Zangief became famous and they both considered
each other rivals. And like you said, they did steal moves off each other.
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 8/13/2001 11:30:15 AM
Hi Saiki
In the SFZ guide book it says Gouki fought Gouken and defeated him in front of a young Ryu and
Ken.
Since now you say that Ryu came back to see blood all over the place, I guess it is safe to
say that Gouki didn't kill Gouken the first time round right? And I still don't see how Ryu
knew it was Gouki who was responsible for all that blood in the room...
From: Tevor the Third | Posted: 8/13/2001 12:14:01 PM
Hey you rock Saiki! ^_^
Okay I have a couple move Zangeif centric questions, though I'm not a big 'Geif fan I do find
him interesting.
Okay most everyone considers Zangeif to be a big dumb brute simply becasue he's big(duh) and
he's a wrestler. This isn't really the case is it? In fact isn't Zangeif supposed to be an
intelligent Russian diplomat(mabey agent would be more acurate?) who just wrestles as his
fighting style and for fun?
And secondly, is it true that one time while training that Zangeif was caught up in a passing
cyclone and was spun up through the air before crashing down into the ground, then instead of
being killed from the fall, like any normal person would, he simply stands up lauhging 'cause
he found the inspiration for his new signature move the Spinning Pile Driver!!!
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From: ProTect | Posted: 8/13/2001 12:48:41 PM
Why does every SF-inspired fiction I've ever seen have Zangief as a bad guy working for
Shadaloo? In the games Capcom always makes it perfectly clear he is a jingoistic Russian hero
but somehow he gets transformed into the minds of writers into a dumb thug. Is it because the
writers have no skills against Zangief's mighty attacks and the infamous Spinning Piledriver?
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From: SuperVeggitto | Posted: 8/13/2001 4:22:29 PM
It's because of the outside-game infulences; The live SF movie, the SF animes, that crapp @$$
SF US cartoon, and the SFV anime have him as more or less a badguy...
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Sie: "Maybe Robert Garcia after one too many cocaine-laced pixie sticks." - Sie and Shingo
meeting Dan in Nightmare Symbiosis.
From: MLai | Posted: 8/13/2001 4:32:35 PM
Hey Saiki. Settle this one, will ya?
Did Akuma/Gouki kill Gouken and Goutetsu or not?
From: Haruo | Posted: 8/13/2001 5:06:46 PM
This one's puzzled me for quite some time, and goes out to anyone who may have the answer.
Remember the US version of SSF2: The New Challengers? Fei Long's ending involved him turning
DOWN an acting career in order to honor the memory of Bruce Lee and his son. Yet, as we soon
see in the animated movie and SSF2 Turbo (that one special ending pic), Fei Long's broken his
vow and has become a movie star! Now it's no big deal, but I thought his original ending was
really kick***. Because of it, I once viewed Fei Long as more of a homage to Bruce, and not so
much a clone. What the hell happened? Why did Capcom go back on his story?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/13/2001 5:18:19 PM
I always thought Zangief was suppose to be a reasonably intelligent and patriotic warrior,
until I started playing the Alpha series and read his win quotes that basically scream he's a
brainless muscle-head oaf. Did they completely ruin his character, or was he suppose to be a
muscle-bound retard from the start???
And yeah, Akuma killed Gouken and Goutetsu. Everyone knows that, but the question is HOW they
occured. Some say Ryu and Ken witnessed Gouken's death, but I don't believe that, 'cuz the 1st
time I heard they witnessed it was while I read an issue of EGM that was explaining how Gouken
survived the battle and that he was a secret character in SF3. I figured since EGM was pulling
an april fools joke, the rest of the story (except for Gouken dying, of course) was fake as
well, including Ryu and Ken being present during the battle.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: Saiki | Posted: 8/13/2001 5:53:50 PM
Yes, Gouki killed Gouken and Goutetsu. Goutetsu was killed by the Shungokusatsu. How Gouken was
killed is unknown. ryu and Ken did not witness Gouki and Gouken fighting. Like Golden Dragon
said, that was made up by EGM+Capcom USA (I don't know which one made it first).
Oh yeah, Ryu isn't really sure that Gouki killed Gouken. He just felt "Satsui no Hado" in the
area and considering Gouki was the only Satsui no Hado user, Ryu just assumed so.
Zangief ISN'T a big, dumb ogre. I can't stand it when so many people portray him as this. He's
actually very smart. He's an undercover agent working for Russia(specifically, the....um...the
Russian guy with the funny mark on his head, I can't remember his name).
Zangief's Spinning Pile driver was in fact inspired by him being caught in a cyclone. Alot of
chars in SF had their moves inspired by other things.
About Feilong........Capcom went back on his story because, they're Capcom. I don't think
theirs one character that hasn't had their story changed yet.
From: Kato | Posted: 8/13/2001 6:04:50 PM
Did Bruce Lee really teach Fei Long?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/13/2001 7:04:56 PM
"Did Bruce Lee really teach Fei Long?"
No way. Who ever said he did? I'm pretty sure Bruce Lee didn't teach Fei Long. Fei Long
idolizes him, but I don't think Bruce taught him. Besides I read Fei Long was taught Kung Fu
by his father.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/13/2001 7:16:11 PM
Plus, didn't Bruce Lee die in '73 or something? Fei Long would've been 4.
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From: Kato | Posted: 8/13/2001 8:23:20 PM
I read something about that in the Capcom of U.S.A. storyline. What is the name of Fei Long's
father/teacher?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/13/2001 9:28:14 PM
Good question, Kato. I don't know. Btw, I have a question of my own (as always, sorry): Is Gen
related to Yun and Yang, or not??? Is there anyone who can confirm this rumor? I've heard he's
NOT their grandfather, that he FOUND them and taught them ansatsuken and I've heard he IS their
grandfather. I've heard Lee's their father and have also heard that he's their uncle. I've even
heard he's related to Chun Li!!! Does the fact that Yun/Yang's last name's LEE help any?
Someone please tell me the truth.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: RoKiSePh | Posted: 8/14/2001 3:20:40 AM
Hi, but Gouki Fighting Gouken in front of Ryu and Ken is official, it is in their character
introduction in SFZ strategy guide by Gamest mooks, which if I'm not wrong is official
material. It happens to be coincidence that EGM guessed it right...
I still can't translate it but who really killed Gouken?
Vega asked Gouken to fight him once, but I cannot figure if he died from that
Gouki asked Gouken to fight him too, in front of Ryu and Ken, but it wasn't said that he died
from the ordeal.
But if I put two and two together
I figure that the timeline goes like this
1. Gouki fights Gouken...Gouken Doesn't die
2. Vega appears to ask Gouken to show him Satsui no Hado
From the text, Gouken underestimates Vega and it is just said that Vega goes away. I still
don't have time to look up my friend to translate with him what it fully says...
3. As per Saiki's document (the SF2 book is it?) Ryu returns from SF1 and finds Gouken
Missing...
Hmmmmm, makes me wonder...
WHy should Gouki come back to Kill off Gouken for no Reason?
And Did Capcom actually change the storyline later on?
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/14/2001 5:18:36 AM
LET'S END THIS TOPIC NOW!!!!!!!
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"Kobushi ni yado ta, Inochi no Honoo ga...Ite! Mada watenae te!!!"!!! --Shingo Yabuki's song,
KOF 2000
From: AngelKen | Posted: 8/14/2001 7:17:43 AM
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. :\ why?
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/14/2001 8:26:56 AM
Because, AngelKen, there's no point in continuing the "It's all about Ryu and/or Akuma (with
some Retsu and Dhalsim thrown in for good measure)" posts!
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"Kobushi ni yado ta, Inochi no Honoo ga...Ite! Mada watenae te!!!"!!! --Shingo Yabuki's song,
KOF 2000
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/14/2001 9:51:43 AM
RokiSeph
Capcom probably changed the story later on. They ARE CAPCOM, after all.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/14/2001 10:02:19 AM
The True Warrior
I don't wanna stop the topic and since you're tired of the Ryu/Akuma questions(for which I
don't blame you), then why don't ya ask some questions NOT concerning that scenario? Better
yet, don't come and post here if you've lost interest. Nobody's making you read our posts, so
don't act like someone's holding a gun to yer head.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/14/2001 10:49:18 AM
Okay Golden Dragon, I'll play along...what's the name of Ibuki's boyfriend from Street Fighter
3 Third Strike?
Anyone?
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"Kobushi ni yado ta, Inochi no Honoo ga...Ite! Mada watenae te!!!"!!! --Shingo Yabuki's song,
KOF 2000
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/14/2001 11:48:20 AM
Dude, she's got a boy friend? I knew 'bout her friend, Sarai Kurosawa, but I didn't know she
had a boy friend. Is he the dude she meets in her 3rd Strike ending?
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/14/2001 11:52:51 AM
Yeah, that's the one! He's also in a special winpose of hers too!
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KOF 2000
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/14/2001 2:43:01 PM
Oh yeah, him. I bet Saiki knows his name. As a matter of fact, I think he told us his name on
one of the earlier pages but I'm not sure which one...
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: Saiki | Posted: 8/14/2001 5:57:25 PM
Capcom changed the storyline with Gouki/Gouken.
Ryu and Ken were not present with the Gouki/Gouken battle. It's still unclear as to how Gouken
was killed but neither Ryu or Ken were present. Ryu doesn't even know Gouki till Zero2.
Oh and that guy that shows up in Ibuki's SFIII 3rd ending isn't her boyfriend. For now, he
doesn't have a name given to him. He's just referred to as Ibuki's "senpai". And he's a
different guy from the one that shows up in Ibuki's win pose.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/14/2001 6:21:48 PM
I have another question for you Saiki(as usual. I apologize): Is Gen related to Yun and Yang,
or not? I've heard he's NOT their grandfather, that he FOUND them and taught them to fight.
Meanwhile, I've heard from other sources he IS their grandfather. I've heard Lee's their father
(or their uncle)and that he's related to Chun Li as well. Which of these statements is true and
which isn't? FACT: The brothers' last name is "Lee," so does that mean "Lee"(SF1)is the
character's last name, making him their father?
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: Pseudo Bushin | Posted: 8/14/2001 7:34:50 PM
I have a question.
Is Dan really Sakura's martial arts teacher? It was said that he is in Blanka's ending in SFA3,
but a lot of the stuff in SFA3 didn't really happen, so I was just wondering what the official
word was. Thanks.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/14/2001 7:44:19 PM
Take a look at this if you know Japanese:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/AnimeComic/7574/gouken.html
If you don't, take a look anyway. Its got this really cool Gouken Sprite. I tried to translate
the text on this page using an online translator and this is what I came up with(it barely
makes any sense):
It is the master of the (blank) and the (blank) it is great the actual older brother of the
ogre. Greatly with the ogre, assassination fist * the successor *. iron " of wave motion of
murderous intent " of legend (blank) you study. It makes the wave motion fist, ascent dragon
fist, tornado whirlwind leg refine have grapple skill, goal power is chased after and life is
dropped due to the dead being agreeable with the ogre younger brother * greatly it masters the
wave motion of murderous intent. Greatly " of nothing " is written one the back of the hardness
fist screw-A-screw " the heaven " of the ogre, one letter. When (it is CD drama and zero
stories, being done in Vega, however the., with setting after zero 2, being killed greatly by
the correct ogre seems answer, don't you think? is.)
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/14/2001 9:41:26 PM
Pseudo Bushin
No, Dan taught Sakura nothing. He goes around saying he taught Sakura everything(think Mr Satan
and Majin Boo). Sakura just considers Dan as a translator for her.
Golden Dragon
No, Gen isn't related to Yun, Yang or Lee. Yun and Yang's last name is Lee and Lee is their
father. That's why Yun has the lunging punch just like his dad. The move that looks like Gen's
move is one of the move's that Gen just passed on to the Lee brothers. Gen seems to have a
tendancy to pass on certain skills.(Chunli learned the crounching kick and Yun/Yang learned the
rolling kick).
BTW, that page has the most accurate Gouken pic I've ever seen on the net. He's good. Oh,
here's an actual translation
"Ryu and Ken's master and the older brother of Gouki.
He studied with Gouki, under the legendary Ansatsuken master Goutetsu.
He learns the Hadoken, Shoryuken, Tatsumakisempuukyaku as martial art moves, but loses his life
when fighting his younger brother Gouki, who became awakened to the "Satsui no Hado" because he
sought for too much power.
As opposed to Gouki's "Ten", on Gouken's back is the one kanji "Mu".
(According to the CD drama, Gouken was killed by Vega but it was made clear in Zero2 that Gouki
killed him.)"
From: SilentJ | Posted: 8/14/2001 10:06:08 PM
Wow, thanks Saiki. You've really been a big help. I just have one last question. Were there any
characters ever officially created that could possibly face up against the likes of Goutsetsu?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/14/2001 10:52:11 PM
Wow. Thanks for translating that, Saiki. Like SilentJ said, you've been a big help and have
done an awesome job clearing up Street Fighter's dismal story line for us. Correct me if i'm
wrong, but I believe you said you were working on a Story Line FAQ and I wanna let you know
that I can't wait. Please let us know when you're done. You kick @$$, dude. Thanks again.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: ProTect | Posted: 8/15/2001 9:37:49 AM
I think Saiki's biggest contribution is showing us all that the Zero/Alpha 3 storyline DOES
have continuity with the rest of the SF saga (which I always suspected but could not prove).
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/15/2001 9:44:23 AM
FIVE CHEERS FOR SAIKI! HIP, HIP, HORAAAAAAAY!!! (x5) :P
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KOF 2000
From: Nujevad | Posted: 8/15/2001 11:33:36 AM
Lee isn't Gen's son? But in Videogames.com, they say that Lee is Gen's kid. Take a look for
yourself and tell me if they're wrong.
http://www.videogames.com/features/universal/sfhistory/char_lee.html
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/15/2001 12:13:14 PM
NOTHING VIDEOGAMES.COM SAYS IS OFFICIAL!!! Everything they say about the Street Fighter story
is crap anyway 'cuz one of their editors "assumed" that "this and this happened" from watching
the Street Fighter 2 Anime and looking at all of the Capcom of America Street Fighter stuff
they could find.
(I hate videogames.com anyway...)
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KOF 2000
From: Saiki | Posted: 8/15/2001 5:38:23 PM
SilentJ
Well Gouki can. He is the one that killed him. With that in mind, Ryu, Vega, Oro, Gen most
likely can. hehe, I seriously can't believe this topic went over 400. Wow thats alot.
Golden Dragon
You're right. I'm writing a SF story FAQ. It's just gonna take me a while because I'm actually
looking up everything that I'm gonna type in the FAQ. But I'll make sure you guys know when i'm
done.
Nujevad
Please, don't bring up videogames.com.
I think True Warrior said exactly what I think about videogames.com
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/15/2001 5:43:51 PM
Yeah, I've been to that site also, and have read all the character bios as well, but those bios
are mostly mistaken. The Guys at videogames.com tried their best to clear up the SF story
line's confusion, but their material and resources are very limited. Their resources are mostly
Capcom USA material, and Capcom USA has mistranslated and misinterpreted a lot of material
concerning the story line, making the story almost completely different from the original
(Japanese)one.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/15/2001 7:50:17 PM
Hi guys.
Go to: http://www.shadaloo.hpg.ig.com.br/Games/
The first 12 pictures concerns about Gouken and his death (well, almost). The story is about:
Gouken VS Vega (not shown)
Ken VS Balrog (not shown)
Ryu VS Sagat (Sagat gains his scar)
hope you all enjoy.... a shame it's in japanese....
From: KageVII | Posted: 8/15/2001 8:43:41 PM
I just want to give a huge thanks to all the contributors on this topic, I've been reading this
topic for a while now, I've always been trying to find more about the real Street Fighter
storyline but couldn't find anything. My only resources were the anime movie, videogames.com
(ugh), and the American Street Fighter cartoon series (OH DEAR GOD! Back then I told myself if
I ever heard the phrase Sonic Boom again I was gonna kill someone!) Big thanks to all the
people who asked the questions too. Now for my question, is there anything in the storyline
about Ryu and Chun Li getting together? I read a couple of mangas but I wasn't sure if they
were correct.
"I don't kill my opponents, I make them wish I did"
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/15/2001 10:56:41 PM
KageVII
No, Chun-Li and Ryu barely know each other... Yes, many mangas say that, but this was just made
up for the story of the manga. It doesn't belong to the SF official storyline.... They might
have met in some fights... but that's all.
I always thought that Nash, or Guile, and Chun-Li would get together, but this never happened...
The american SF cartoon wasn't bad... ok the artwork wasn't superb, but some stories were cool,
like the one where Vega and Guile have to be friends to fight against Gouki. The one when Cammy
turns to Vega's side is also great (they even kiss ^_^), and the series finale "CAMMY TELL ME
TRUE" was the best one: Vega (I mean Cammy)steals the codes of the nuclear weapons of the world,
Guile and Chun-Li goes after him. Sagat delivers and tape to Guile, telling that it was the
key to recover Cammy. The story of the tape: Cammy's parents were undercover agents of the
MI-6, Vega discovers it and kills them. Cammy is drugged/brainwashed to be Vega's loyal
partner....
Needless to say the end of the story...
From: Haruo | Posted: 8/16/2001 3:41:25 AM
That was the series finale? I couldn't even tell!
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From: Nujevad | Posted: 8/16/2001 4:00:47 AM
I guess I owe The True Warrior and Saiki a big thank you for setting me straight. Man, it's
really easy to get lost amidst all the sites on the net.
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/16/2001 5:49:20 AM
No prob. man; just performing a service!
And remember:
"Now you know; and knowing is HALF the battle!" --The end of every G.I.Joe cartoon :D
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KOF 2000
From: Gouki of Borg | Posted: 8/16/2001 6:32:52 AM
Does anyone know Rainbow Mika's age? It's hard to tell exactly. She looks somewhere between 14
and 17.
Also, the business with Chun-Li's father confuses me. In Zero 2, she demands that Vega tell her
what happened to her father. So, I assume at this point, she didn't know for sure that he was
dead, as far as she was concerned he disappeared. Then Vega says he killed him and escapes. So
Chun-Li joins INTERPOL to hunt down Vega and avenge her father. Then, in Guile's Zero 3 ending,
Chun-Li consoles Guile after Charlie's death by saying 'Charlie is out there somewhere, and so
is my father!' or something like that. Isn't Chun fully aware at this point that her father is
dead? Was she just trying to make Guile feel better? And on that subject, this line suggests
that neither the bodies of Charlie or Chun's father were ever found. Yet, in Chun-Li's SF2/SSF2
ending she's praying at her father's grave. And in Guile's SSF2X artwork, he's hanging dogtags
on a headstone, presumably Charlie's. Were they found sometime between Zero 3 and SSF2X?
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Adapting since 1980
From: Golden Hell | Posted: 8/16/2001 7:36:42 AM
Lord Vega Bison:
Hey, I have that comic. It was translated in English in the early 90s and published by Tokuma
Comics (?). There was like 8 or 9 issues to it, if I remember correctly. It was also in full
color. I think the english translation wasn't very accurate mainly because the writing seemed
very childish (if that makes any sense). The characters seemed very immature because of the
extrememly poor writing. Its still an enjoyable comic, though.
I think the story was something like Bison was gathering fighters for a tournament in his
island "Shad". He also had a mind controlling drug called Doll. It was a very weak story but
the art was good.
From: SuperVeggitto | Posted: 8/16/2001 10:06:23 AM
At this point, I think it's best we ignore the plotline of SF2-SSF2T... Zero 3 is a gawdawful
mess, but with Saki, we've found there is a coherent,cleared up plot within it. The Zero series
pretty much rewrites the SF2 story at this time.
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Sie: "Maybe Robert Garcia after one too many cocaine-laced pixie sticks." - Sie and Shingo
meeting Dan in Nightmare Symbiosis.
From: Jazzie D | Posted: 8/16/2001 12:14:26 PM
Hey!
Here's some questions that have been bothering me for a while. (I know they have been answered,
but I'll just ask them anyway.)
1. Where's Anita (Rose in America - Don't ask how I know this fact. I just know it.) really
from? In the first two Zero games, she was in Italy and the third one had her stage in Greece
if I'm not mistaken. (Or was it only Cammy?)
2. How the hell did Cody become a prisoner in the first place? (Just refresh my memory.)
3. Is Adon dead or what as well as really evil or just mislead?
4. I know for the most part, Street Fighter Zero III's story is whacked up and almost non
believeable. Here's my question: Which version of Street Fighter III has the most believeable
stories?
5. That one friend of Sakura is Kei, if I'm not mistaken, correct?
That's all for now! Arigato gozaimashita Saiki-san! ^_^
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/16/2001 12:34:13 PM
1. I'm pretty sure she's from Italy.
2. Cody became pretty restless a little while after FF1. He was bored of living the
peaceful/crime-free life with Jessica, so he decided to wander the streets and pick fights. He
fought over and over again until he was arrested and thrown in jail.
3. Although many sources say Adon was last seen preparing for a fight against Akuma and hasn't
been heard from since, he's still Thailand's current God of Muay Thai. I wouldn't say he's
evil, just really cocky and egotistical.
4. All 3 SF3 games are all one event and run off the same story line, there isn't any
difference among them except for the addition of new characters(and maybe fans having a BETTER
UNDERSTANDING of the story line).
5. Yeah, Kei Chitose's Sakura's pal from school.
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/16/2001 2:06:59 PM
For Cody, he was framed by Edi.E from Mad Gear so they could get revenge on Haggar (and thus
started Final Fight 3). Remember: Edi.E abused his authority and busted Cody because he was a
nuisance to the Newly Formed Mad Gear.
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KOF 2000
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/16/2001 4:08:30 PM
Hold on a minute. Now I know Cody's in jail during Final Fight 3, but that's not what started
it. The Mad Gear Gang was destroyed for good during Final Fight 2. In Final Fight 3, The Skull
Cross Gang's the new threat to Metro City. I remember one of the bosses in Final Fight 3 being
a cop. Was he Edi E? I remember a couple former Mad Gear members joined the Skull Cross Gang.
It's been a long time since I played that game, so you'll have to refresh my memory. According
to the SFZ3 story line, Cody's in jail for the reason I wrote down in my last post.
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From: Paikuhan | Posted: 8/16/2001 4:16:23 PM
just found out from strider hien. you can find the official capcom stories in a japanese
magazine called Hot Dog. You must read japanese though in order to understand it.
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From: ProTect | Posted: 8/16/2001 5:06:13 PM
Bison's being betrayed by everyone and finally getting sucked into the computer was supposed to
be the dead giveaway that was the series finale. Personally, I think the ending of "The Flame
and the Rose" (where Bison's hideout crumbled to the ground) was better....
But that last episode did contain my favorite line of the entire series, and one of my favorite
SF lines of all time.
Bison: I killed my father too, and you don't hear me whining about it!
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From: Jazzie D | Posted: 8/16/2001 6:25:42 PM
Oh, okay then.
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/16/2001 6:36:21 PM
Nujevad
No problem man
Gouki of Borg
R Mika is roughly 22~26 year old. I think
And neither chunli's dad or Nash's bodies were found. So the graves are just empty graves.
Oh yeah, the basic plot of SSF2X is still intact. It's just been changed quite a bit. I think
SSF2X Revival is a better version to look at.
Jazzie
1) She's from Italy. It's still unclear of Rose is infact Anita though. It makes sense but
Capcom hasn't said anything about it.
2) Zero3 version is what Golden Dragon said
FF Revenge version is what True Warrior said.
Although the Zero3 version is the official one so far, I like the FFR better because it still
keeps Cody's hero image intact.
3) What GD said
4) Actually, SFIII and 2nd Impact are the same thing. 3rd Strike is actually something that
happens after the SFIII tournament.
5) Yes
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/16/2001 7:58:18 PM
ProTect
I didn't want to spoil the last episode (well, not totally).
Vega's line (The I killed my father one). But the Cammy explanation on how she ended up with
Vega was pretty cool. It was one of the theories about her in SSF2T...
"The Flame and The Rose" was another good episode, but it has too much mistakes.... And
Rose/Vega Storyline was crap.
So you have the series recorded..... like me!
Could you please do a summary of the episode "Eye Of the Beholder"? I only missed this one and
"The battle begins" but the pilot ep I know what happens....
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/17/2001 8:52:09 AM
ProTect/Lord Vega Bison
No offense guys, but I thought U.S.A's street fighter cartoon was a half-hour of pure crapola.
The animation and art were horrible, the dialogue was cheesy, the story line was horrible, etc.
It was like watching a bad episode of G.I. Joe. I hated it. The fact that it was a follow-up of
the Street Fighter Live-action movie destroyed the possibility of it being any good. That
cartoon sucked @$$. Btw, why didn't the "Street Fighters" ever change out of their fighting
outfits? I can remember one part of an episode where Balrog was typing on a computer keyboard
(with his gloves on), and another episode where Ryu and Ken were hanging out at the beach IN
THEIR OUTFITS! The funniest thing 'bout the whole idea was that their referred to their
fighting get-ups as "uniforms."
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/17/2001 8:57:23 AM
Hey, check this out:
http://www.csupomona.edu/~meamba/mambas/wd.html
It's some guy's idea for a street fighter 4 game. The story line's a little sketchy, but he
made some pretty cool character sketches.
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From: Jazzie D | Posted: 8/17/2001 11:18:28 AM
Okay!
I have another question. This is not a story question, but it still deals with Street Fighter.
What's the damn name of Ryu's song?!!???!?? I know Ken's song is Kurenai no Ken for example,
but what is the name of Ryu's song? This has been bothering me for a very long time!
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From: SZA | Posted: 8/17/2001 12:02:23 PM
What's Deans (From Final Fight 3) storyline.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/17/2001 12:34:02 PM
SZA
Dean's a former street fighter with thorough knowledge of the Skull Cross Gang's operation.
He's very mysterious, and rumors say he's not completely human. He was asked to join the Skull
Cross gang, but he refused so they slaughtered his family. This angers him so he plans to
avenge his family by destroying the Skull Cross Gang. He always carries a small picture of his
family wherever he goes.
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/17/2001 12:44:27 PM
Okay Jazzie D, the name of Ryu's Street Fighter 2 theme is "Kaze no Senshi". There are actually
two names for it: Kaze no Senshi (Warrior of the Wind) and "Flying through the Air"
I myself don't know how anyone knows the real Japanese versions of the Street Fighter 2 songs
('cuz even on the Image Album it says "Flying through the Air"; and the Image Album is in
Japanese!) and am suprised that you know Ken's theme!
Hope that helps!
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From: Jazzie D | Posted: 8/17/2001 1:32:41 PM
I guess it does. You're actually surprised that I knew the name of Ken's song? Well, that
doesn't matter. Domo arigatou gozaimashita!
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From: SZA | Posted: 8/17/2001 2:07:07 PM
OT: <brag> I've finally completed a Street Fighter IV story-line in my head :) <brag>
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/17/2001 2:45:35 PM
Hey guys. check this out:
http://www.shadaloo.hpg.com.br/Juni & Juli intro Final.gif
See if you like it.
BTW True Warrior, what's the name of Vega (M. Bison in US) music?
From: ProTect | Posted: 8/17/2001 3:10:02 PM
The main reason I used to think that cartoon series sucked was that the network repeated old
episodes over and over again and showed some of the later (better) episodes only once or twice.
That completely destroyed continuity and left me wondering if Cammy was evil this time or
Blanka was Super Blanka yet.
Being a spinoff of the live movie, it naturally took some liberties with the storyline, but not
nearly as many as that movie did.
There were some episodes that were kind of boring (the ones focusing on Blanka and the Satin
Hammer come to mind), but the episodes that featured Bison, Akuma, and the Alpha characters
were pretty good, IMHO (Rose looked good in that shade of purple and in her flashback!).
Lord Vega Bison, I'll get back to you on "Eye of the Beholder." If I remember right, it's one
of the Blanka/Vega episodes, but I don't know which one.
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From: ProTect | Posted: 8/17/2001 3:45:16 PM
I've given it a few minutes' thought, and I'm almost 100% certain the second Blanka/Vega
episode was called "The Beast Within." So that makes "Eye of the Beholder" the first one. Boy,
will I look dumb if it turns out to be another episode!
Anyway, here it is the way I remember it.
A doctor has developed a formula that reverses aging. It is believed this could restore Blanka
to his pre-mutation state.
Meanwhile, Bison comes to Vega's pleasure island. Vega has given up on Shadaloo and Bison, and
is now dedicated to hanging out with a cute lady (whom he threatens to disfigure because she's
getting prettier than he). This is precisely the kind of vanity Bison exploits to make Vega do
his bidding, telling him he'll have eternal youth if he finds the formula.
Blanka drops off alone onto the remote island where the doctor lives. He meets the doctor (who
has a daughter he's romantically involved with), and begins treatment. Sure enough, soon Blanka
is back to his human form (like in the live movie, he's built and has black hair).
At this point, Vega begins an attack on the island, capturing the doctor. Blanka still needs
another injection before he'll be permanently human. As he pulls on his clothes (a
palette-swapped version of Alpha Charlie's outfit) and starts trying to do his old tricks, he
comes to realize the age-reversal procedure will strip him of all the powers he possesses as
Blanka.
Blanka goes after Vega. Vega holds the doctor against his claw and threatens to destroy the
formula if Blanka tries to rescue him. Blanka decides to save the doctor. As he runs to fight
Vega, his preliminary treatment reverses and he becomes beastlike again, leaving behind his
clothes and his "Charlie" dogtag.
Someone saves the formula (don't remember who) and the episode wraps up with Vega defeated (of
course, we get the obligatory mask-crushing scene) and the formula spilled on the ground.
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From: SuperVeggitto | Posted: 8/17/2001 4:21:46 PM
About the only thing I liked about the series was Blanka's character design, and that one time
he shot sometype of new beam attack at Vega. Somethings... well okay, ALOT of things sucked
about that show (like the time Blanka used his roll attack to get into a flying airborn plane,
and when T. Hawk glided down from a flying plane as well.) Hell, the entire show sucked,
because of the things listed and those liberties they took with the storyline. IMO, Akuma's
appearance was terrible; being beaten by Ken? Not that I'm denouncing Ken or anything, but....
UGH! They could've done it MUCH better than that! And the terribly animated fight scenes...
*cringes*
Super Blanka? When did that happen? Blanka and ChunLi were about the only characters I could
stand in that cartoon... yea, Rose was pretty cool when she showed up too, that was probably
one of the few remotely good episodes.
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Sie: "Maybe Robert Garcia after one too many cocaine-laced pixie sticks." - Sie and Shingo
meeting Dan in Nightmare Symbiosis.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/17/2001 4:46:31 PM
ProTect
Thanks for the summary. The "Eye of The Beholder" was the only episode that I lost....
Yep, the Blanka episodes were the stupid and boring ones, specially the one when he saves a
boy,and later it's discovered that he was from another planet (I'm not quite sure... I haven't
seen this cartoon a long time ago).
My top 5 episodes of the US cartoon are:
1. Cammy Tell Me True
2. The Flame and The Rose
3. Strange Bedfellows
4. Cammy and the Bachelor
5. Cammy Must Die!
Another stupid one was "The hand that feeds you". Ryu trying to rescue those girls.... that
was pathetic.
Although some of them matched the storyline, well kinda:
Sagat wanting revenge on Ryu (the episode with Sakura);
the one where Gouki hurts Gouken and Ryu and Ken have to fight with him; the Final Fight
episode was greatly done, with the exception of Ryu and Ken...
Vega/Bison's power are more exploited, he can levitate and teleport like in the manga movie (he
couldn't do ity in the manga SFIIV series... he only teleports 2 times, against Nash and
Chin-Li), he also can dial the phone with it... but in the beginning of the series, he has
Magnetic Powers... and in the end it becomes Psycho Powers only to fit Rose in the storyline...
then in the last ep it's Magnetic Powers again....
A pity that Adon, Dan and some other SFZ characters weren't present... I heard that Japan is
planning to do a movie with SFZ3 storyline.... both a anime and a real movie....
From: ProTect | Posted: 8/17/2001 5:34:48 PM
Yeah, Chun-Li was one of the few characters to change clothes. She often put on a different
outfit when she was doing a news broadcast (doesn't she have a quote in Third Strike or one of
the other recent games where she says she's a fighter, not a reporter?).
Super Blanka happened on yet another boring episode where some doctor so incompetent Bison
fired him created some monsters and Blanka got exposed to more mutagen while fighting them. He
got bigger, his eyes got shadowed, and he started going into uncontrollable rages where he got
violent with anyone friend or foe who happened to be nearby.
The Final Fight episode was one of my favorites too. Rolento had kind of a wierd voice, but I
could sort of imagine his voice sounding like that based on what he yells out during a fight.
At least he didn't sound like every other villain.
In Akuma's defense, Ken did say he felt like everyone was with him when he was fighting Akuma.
Using his own power, he probably couldn't have beaten him, but using the old "one with humanity
and nature" trick he could. I thought having Gouken survive the Raging Demon was a nice touch,
too, even though he should have been dead at that point in the storyline.
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/17/2001 5:58:08 PM
Sorry Lord Vega Bison, I have no Idea; the only reason I knew Ryu's theme was because it's so
popular.
I'll see if I can find it for you though!
You could try looking for the CD though; it's called the Street Fighter 2 Image Album and it
has the original versions of each character's theme (and it mixed Vega' theme, Balrog's theme,
Sagat's theme and Bison's theme into one song!)
There's also the Street Fighter 2 Collection CD that has the arcade versions of each
character's theme (but it has other games on it too like Chiki Chiki Boys, Final Fight, and
U.S. Navy).
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/17/2001 7:13:20 PM
YOU'RE IN LUCK Lord Vega Bison! I'VE FOUND IT FOR YOU!
here's the link with pictures of the CD and everything:
http://www.dashtaisen.com/cdvidsf2nesshoucd.html
The one Jazzie D mentioned came from the Street Fighter 2 Nesshou(?) CD, which is actually a
Vocal Arranged version of the Street Fighter 3 character themes.
Don't ask me to translate them though, 'cuz I can't! Maybe Saiki-Sama will help you!
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/17/2001 8:16:06 PM
ProTect and Lord Vega Bison
You are the only dudes I know who actually LIKED that cartoon. I couldn't stand it. I admit it
was cool to see Alpha and Final Fight characters make appearances, but the rest of the show was
complete crap in my opinion.
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From: AiRiC | Posted: 8/18/2001 4:09:56 AM
I Got ?'s for u Saiki:
1. Is pocket fighter in anyway in the Story line?
2. What does Akuma do during the ragging demon?
3. Who taught Go Hibiki?
4. What do You call Dan's Ragging demon and is it the dark hado that lets him do it or whatever
they call it any info on this would be useful.
5. Who taught Goutetsu hope I spell that right?
6. Have you ever played Mugen?
7. Does Dan's dad really wear that mask?
8. How many fingers do you have?
From: SilentJ | Posted: 8/18/2001 8:29:49 AM
No one taught Goutetsu, he founded the techniques of Shotokan.
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From: AiRiC | Posted: 8/18/2001 2:08:01 PM
Where can u find the USA street fighter cartoons some them were pretty cool.
does anyone know if the Tokuma comics follow street fighter?
From: Gouki of Borg | Posted: 8/18/2001 2:48:25 PM
Yeah I used to watch the SF cartoon as a kid on Sundays on I believe USA. The one episode that
stands out in my mind is the one where Bison forces his scientist to use the mutation chamber
thingee on more people, creating this 3-beast army and sending them into a wrestling ring to
beat up Guile and Blanka or something. It was host to such lines as,
Blanka: They're not human!
Guile: No kidding!
Did Sakura ever appear in any of the episodes?
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From: ProTect | Posted: 8/18/2001 3:00:02 PM
Yeah, Sakura was in the next-to-last episode. They messed up her story too.
In the series, she was a student at a dojo where Ryu was respected at the ultimate martial
artist (since he is the only one who ever beat Sagat). Sagat finds out about the dojo and
attacks it, in order to save his reputation in Shadaloo. Sakura escapes and looks for Ryu in
America, so he can help her save her captured master. She finds him and convinces him to return
to Shadaloo. While there, Ryu himself is captured and forced into a rematch with Sagat. Ryu
wins and the day is saved. ;)
I don't know where to get a GOOD copy of the series, but if you ever find VCDs of it, I
wouldn't recommend them unless you really want them. Maybe it's just my VCD player (my
Dreamcast), but the quality of mine isn't very good.
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From: DForce | Posted: 8/18/2001 3:17:18 PM
Personally, I thought the US Street Fighter series was a glorified version of G.I. Joe. Heh,
the only things that were missing were the laser guns and the public service announcements
after each show. =P BTW, I don't know if anyone knows this, but a long time ago Hasbro made
G.I. Joe Street Fighter II figures, lol. Bison working for Cobra...lmao.
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From: ProTect | Posted: 8/18/2001 3:24:02 PM
I've got Bison's G.I. Joe figure! The big one!
But that WAS cheap. Bison wouldn't wear a dogtag.
I wouldn't put the cartoon series on the same level as, say, the SF2 Animated Movie or even the
Alpha anime, but it's better than G.I. Joe by a long shot.
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From: AiRiC | Posted: 8/18/2001 3:55:41 PM
Saiki???
From: Saiki | Posted: 8/18/2001 4:26:28 PM
AiRiC
Sorry for not responding quick. Anyways,
1) No, Pocket Fighter has nothing to do with the actual story.
2) He takes them to hell for only a split second. Hence the past sins of the victim haunts them.
3) Err.....I really have no clue. Probably self taught
4) Which one? I think he's got two. One from the vs series and one from Pocket Fighter.
The one from the vs series is called "Otoko Michi"
And the one from Pocket fighter is called "Junbokusatsu" I think
5) Goutetsu is the founder of the techniques
6) Yup, I like it alot. It's just too bad alot ppl like the over powered super mega death type
chars. I like to stick to chars that are close to their actual selves
7) No. That's just a parody off of AOF
8) Last time I counted 10.
From: AiRiC | Posted: 8/18/2001 5:44:17 PM
About ? number four what is Dan doing during Otoko Michi and whats that mean?
ps people have 8 fingers just to let u know and thx for answering those ?'s for me. Good luck
on the faq.
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/18/2001 7:26:58 PM
Okay AiRiC; I take it that you haven't played MvC2 yet?
During the Otoko Michi ("The Path of Man"), Dan dashes towards his opponent(victim) and grabs
them from behind. Then, a split second later, Dan explodes...sending his opponent and himself
to the opposite sides of the screen.
But there is a grave consequence for using the move: Dan is left with one ounce of life, so any
special move WILL kill him!
And besides, IMO, it looks sooooo crappy due to the lack of sound for the explosion!
Hope that helps!
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From: AiRiC | Posted: 8/18/2001 7:46:55 PM
True Warrior, i've played mvsc2 I just wounder how dan's able to do such a thing.
From: Lord Vega Bison | Posted: 8/19/2001 10:11:14 AM
The True Warrior
Thanks man! That site rocks!
Now I know that the name of Vega's music is: "Chinmoku no bohyou" (Something like Silence of
Gravestone... I think). That site has a lot of info of the mangas and CDs.
AiRiC
Well, I don't think that the US American SF cartoon is still on air... you can look after DVDs
or VCDs. The webmaster of www.cammyfan.com, stefan99 managed to buy the complete collection of
the US SF cartoon in VCD. you can ask him where he bought it.
From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/19/2001 6:31:36 PM
Does Rolent/Rolento have an official last name? Many sources say it's Schugerg. Is that true?
I've also read Sean's last name is Matsuda. Is that true? I personally don't think it's his
last name, considering that's a Japanese last name and Sean's Brazilian, but I want to make
sure I'm correct.
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From: servbot41 | Posted: 8/19/2001 6:37:09 PM
What does the E. in E. Honda stand for? In Alpha 3, they say it's Edmound, but that doesn't
sound Japanese.
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From: Ryu Hayabusa | Posted: 8/19/2001 7:14:26 PM
Wow, this is just awesome stuff! I am on page 18 so far! Anyway, to Shinku Hadoken: I don't
know if your question about Street Fighter 2010 was answered or not. But in the Japanese
version of the game, the character you play as isn't Ken! His name is Kevin in the Japanese
version I believe. Capcom of America, in their *ahem* infinite knowledge decided it would be
cool to name him after Ken from Street Fighter. From what I remembered, I think they changed
the story a bit as a result...
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/19/2001 7:33:36 PM
Golden Dragon:
I'm with you one the Rolento's last name thing, but as for Sean; just about EVERY character
that Capcom mentions to be from Brazil has a Japanese last name! Just look at Roberto from
Project Justice and Carlos from Final Fight 2!
They both have Japanese last names despite the fact that they are Brazilian! Also; Ken Masters!
He's American but is mixed with Japanese, thought they obviously had to change his last name to
something more "American" to suit the US gamers that he represented.
Serbot41:
Edmond is what the "E." stands for in E.Honda. It's been like that since the original Street
Fighter 2...
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/19/2001 8:59:44 PM
Golden Dragon
Rolento doesn't have an official last name. I'm pretty sure Schugerg was confirmed by Capcom
USA but I've yet to hear/read anything about Capcom Japan even mentioning a last name like that.
Sean's last name is Matsuda. He's half Japanese, half Brazilian. Same with Roberto from PJ.
I'll list all SF chars with official last names just in case anyone is wondering
Ken Masters
Edmund Honda
Sakura Kasugano
Cammy White
Dan Hibiki
Mike Bison
Karin Kanzuki
Mika Nanakawa
Yun Lee
Yang Lee
Sean Matsuda
That's all the SF's with official last names. I didn't bother with the PJ crew because everyone
in their has last names. I'm 90% sure that Makoto was also given a last name but I can't seem
to remember it.
Oh, this has nothing to do with the question but has anyone noticed something with all the
chars with Shoryu/Hado type moves? Capcom has made it so that every single one of them is
either Japanese or has Japanese in them. I find this kinda funny.
From: Gouki of Borg | Posted: 8/19/2001 9:45:27 PM
What nationality is Rolento, anyway? Many documents say he's American but he sounds like
something else, French or German maybe.
On that note, Cammy is not actually British! She sounds British in SSF2 because she was taken
in by the British MI5 after suffering amnesia. I say this because in CvS, in the Shadaloo
stage, if you stand in this one spot, the holographic projection at the center shows vital
stats for one of the fighters. Under country for Cammy, it says, ????.
But, if Shadaloo kidnapped her, wouldn't they know what country they took her from?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/19/2001 10:02:07 PM
Ryu Hayabusa
The reason why Ken's last name is Masters is because his father's american, his Japanese mother
took his father's name, like in most marriages.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/19/2001 10:06:54 PM
I hate to double post, but does anyone know where I can read the Final Fight Guy and/or Final
Fight 3 instruction manuals online?
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From: Ryu Hayabusa | Posted: 8/19/2001 11:40:43 PM
I don't seem to remember asking why, but thanks for the info! :-)
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From: SuengDragonXiang | Posted: 8/20/2001 12:16:42 AM
Saiki-san? What's the deal wiht Ken and Karin from the street fighter alpha series? I asked
this before but I don't belive the fact that they had sex as some people would say. >cough<
averypheonix >cough<.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/20/2001 2:01:35 AM
Ryu Hayabusa
You hadn't asked, but you said in one of your earlier posts that Ken being half-japanese and
not having a japanese last name didn't make any sense. I was just explaining how it in fact
DID make sense.
SuengDragonXiang
Ken and Karin DIDN'T have sex. They're both wealthy sons and daughters of rival(I think)
companies: The Kanzuki Corporation and the Masters Foundation.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/20/2001 2:50:05 AM
Saiki, what did Go Hibiki REALLY look like?
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From: Ryu Hayabusa | Posted: 8/20/2001 4:28:41 AM
Oh ok, my bad Golden Dragon! It's been so long since I made that post I had forgotten! Thanks
for the info! (^_^)
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From: Nujevad | Posted: 8/20/2001 9:13:30 AM
What makes Ryu more susceptible to the Satsu No Hado more than Ken?
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/20/2001 9:45:53 AM
Nujevad:
Ryu is more concentrated on his fighting arts than Ken is, so the power of Evil Intent will
overcome him more than it would Ken; IF Ken practiced and trained more, then it would happen to
him, but in order to be consumed by SNH he would have to completely devote his life to the
perfection of his fighting art.
This isn't possible because Ken has a wife and child to look after and can't fully concern
himself with fighting.
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/20/2001 2:48:51 PM
On 2nd thought, does ANYBODY know what Go Hibiki really looked like?
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From: Saiki | Posted: 8/20/2001 6:09:35 PM
SuengDragonXiang
Where did you hear that Ken and Karin had sex? First time I've heard of that. Anyways, like
Golden Dragon said, they haven't. They know each other because they're both super rich families
and they both practice martial arts.
Nujevad
What True Warior said. So in that sense, Sakura and Sean have a better chance of being taken
over by Satsui no Hado.
Golden Dragon
Go Hibiki looked like a Muay Thai fighter. Unlike what most people think, he didn't practice
the same art as Gouken, Gouki, Ryu, etc, etc. He was a pure Muay Thai fighter. Hence he
challenged Sagat because Sagat was the current Muay Thai god at the time. I don't know what his
face looked like but I do know that he din't wear the tengu mask.
From: Zenith | Posted: 8/20/2001 6:31:21 PM
Is Kairi from SFEX2 onwards consumed by the Satsui no hadou? Or something else?
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From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/20/2001 7:04:45 PM
Zenith:
After Kairi was defeated by Akuma for the first time, he lost his memory. He figured that the
only way to regain it would be through fighting so he constantly focused on his fighting arts;
the only thing was the his fighting style was used to kill, so SNH was able to take control of
his weak mind and turn him into what he is today!
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From: ProTect | Posted: 8/20/2001 9:11:33 PM
So those pictures of Go in shorts (where you can't see his face) are more accurate than the
ones where he's wearing a gi?
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From: SuperVeggitto | Posted: 8/20/2001 9:20:29 PM
Funny thing about the EX series; where Akuma is the unstoppable badass outside of it, in the
series there seems to be a type of balance with him here. (IE, he seems to be getting slapped
around abit; does Arika not like Akuma? o_o;)
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Sie: "Maybe Robert Garcia after one too many cocaine-laced pixie sticks." - Sie and Shingo
meeting Dan in Nightmare Symbiosis.
From: diudiu | Posted: 8/20/2001 11:10:58 PM
Satsui no Hadou comsuming Kairi? I don't understand? Butr that basically explains why Kairi can
do something so similar to the Rage Wave! Take care and always stay happy.
From: Jack Of Clubs | Posted: 8/21/2001 12:03:13 AM
I figured I'd throw in a question, albeit late in the game...
Is Charlie's official name Charlie Nash, or is it just Charlie in America and Nash in Japan?
I'm assuming that he's dead once and for all... disappointing, but oh well.
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From: Dragonmaster Alex | Posted: 8/21/2001 12:39:40 AM
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From: servbot41 | Posted: 8/21/2001 12:48:54 AM
In Japan, what does the R. in R. Mika, and the T. in T. Hawk stand for?
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From: Golden Dragon | Posted: 8/21/2001 3:57:56 AM
Servbot
They stand for the same thing in Japan. R stands for Rainbow and T stands for Thunder.
Saiki
So Go was a Muay Thai kick-boxer, eh? I've heard that before, but I wasn't sure if it was true.
Thanks Saiki.
Dragonmaster Alex
I gathered everything I learned from this board(and a little of what I know)and combined it
into one big list. I have 57 facts listed so far(I update it every now and then). If you want,
I'll post it on the board so that you may copy and paste it to a letter and e-mail it to
yourself.
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"Gotta love them hot-pants!"
From: The True Warrior | Posted: 8/21/2001 5:51:59 AM
GUYS: SAIKI IS MAKING A STREET FIGHTER STORY FAQ (similar to Kailu Lantis' KOF Story FAQ) FOR
US TO READ!!!
SO THERE'S NO POINT IN COPYING AND PASTING ALL OF THIS THREAD WHEN YOU'LL READ THE WHOLE THING
IN ITS ENTIRETY FAIRLY SOON!
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"If you don't fear the shine of this sun, THEN ATTACK ME!" --Shingo Yabuki, KOF 2000
From: Empty Sheet Of Paper | Posted: 8/21/2001 6:46:48 AM
In Japan, what does the R. in R. Mika, and the T. in T. Hawk stand for?
Rainbow and Thunder
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Here's a billygoat, get back under your bridge.
From: SilentJ | Posted: 8/21/2001 7:48:42 AM
*sigh* this thread was amazing, but it's time for it to die now (-_-,). I hope Saiki will tell
us when his FAQ is finished. Thanks again Saiki.
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I eat paste.
From: SZA | Posted: 8/21/2001 9:09:11 AM
Let me....
From: SZA | Posted: 8/21/2001 9:09:39 AM
....just reach 500th post! :)